This is a really bittersweet election-- Obama won, but so did the loathesome, cruel, discriminatory Proposition 8, which bans gay marriage in California. The legal status of thousands of married couples is now completely up in the air.

My hope is that the next four years will either let more Californians meet the married gay couples in their midst and see that they're not that scary after all, or, as is more likely, that the legal battle to divorce married couples against their will is going to be so mean and hateful that it will end up convincing those same Californians that it's wrong to force couples to divorce and also wrong to refuse them the right to marry. One way or another, I can't imagine not having a "reverse Proposition 8" proposal on the ballot four years from now. And I hope we've gained four years' worth of feelings of compassion and justice.

From: [identity profile] badnoodles.livejournal.com


I am more upset that Prop 8 passed than I can reasonably explain.

From: [identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com


Why would it have to be in four years? Don't they have propositions on the ballot every year? I know they were there when I voted in 2006.

From: [identity profile] cucumberseed.livejournal.com


We need to figure out what we can do to fix this.

From: [identity profile] movingfinger.livejournal.com


Spit on a Mormon today.

I think we need to repeal tax-exemption for religious organizations that engage in lobbying and campaigning on civil legislative issues.

We also need an extensive "Mind Your Own Business" education push.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


Let's not blame all the individuals, some of whom were on the other side, for the ones who weren't.


From: [identity profile] seajules.livejournal.com


I'm LDS, and I voted no on proposition 8. My baby sister is engaged, and I was really looking forward to her wedding next summer. Now, thanks to small-minded members of all sorts of religions, and no religion at all, that's not going to happen.

From: [identity profile] cristalia.livejournal.com


Spit on a Mormon today.

I suspect that'll be a real help (she said, dryly).

From: [identity profile] gnarlycranium.livejournal.com


You know what? Stupid is entirely cross-cultural.

Fact is, some of the people who came out in droves to save all our asses are the same people that screwed us. In California, according to CNN exit polls, black voters went FOR prop 8 to the tune of 70%.

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In our time, the idea of racial or religious segregation is absolutely preposterous. But in my mother's time, there was segregation, desegregation, overturned segregation, and desegregation again. In the end, as we all continue to evolve and the nation dukes out its own civil and ideological war on the floor of congress and the supreme court, I believe equal rights for gay love will prevail (we liberals can't be lazy about it, of course). While Prop 8 is devastating right now, I hope all my gay friends remember--no one can belittle you or your commitment without your permission, and the day WILL come when every human is considered equal. It won't be an easy birth, but I fully believe marriage equality, like all equality, is destiny in the making. It'll be challenged over and over, but I hope by the time our kids are our age now, the notion that gay marriage isn't a real marriage will seem just as preposterous as a whites-only drinking fountain...

From: [identity profile] trasnochadora.livejournal.com


I feel the same way. I'm overjoyed by Obama's victory, but with bans on same-sex marriage in three states and an initiative barring gay couples from adopting in another just passed, it's hard to be anything but subdued right now.

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My hope is that the next four years will either let more Californians meet the married gay couples in their midst and see that they're not that scary after all,

It's insane to me that people have to be sold on not taking away rights. It's shameful and disgusting.

From: [identity profile] erinlin.livejournal.com


That is the most hopeful thing I've heard all day.

Up here in Canada, I plan on writing my Member of Parliament saying that if the Prime Minister even thinks about re-opening the question of gay marriage I will come down on him like the fist of an angry God.

It couldn't hurt.

An honestly, HOW is divorcing people against their will protecting the sanctity of marriage?

EDIT: (just to clarify: We have gay marriage. In 2006 the PM said he wanted a free vote in the House of Commons to re-examine the issue. He has since recanted, but you can't be to careful.)

From: [identity profile] rayechu.livejournal.com


Shit. Last I looked it wasn't looking good, but there was still hope. I don't know what people should do really. I am very upset by this and I hope it is gone as quickly as possible.

From: [identity profile] canandagirl.livejournal.com


I can't believe Prop 8 passed!

Usually, I hear both sides of an arguement on these propositions, and I can say, "You may be right, I think I'll learn more about it." However, there was NOTHING on the 'Yes' side of Prop 8 I could even vaguely agree on. You are going to support discriminiation because you don't want your kids to know about gay marriage in school? So what? Since when IS the concept of marriage taught in schools? I spent 12 years in the CATHOLIC school system and not once was I taught anything about marriage.

Marriages should not be made because you got your girlfriend pregnant, because you want to get out of your parent's house, because you want a wedding, or because he/she makes a nice trophy - it should be made out of love, and that is all that should be required.

By the way, there is a church I drive by on the way home. I'm not sure what kind of church it is, but they had a HUGE banner on voting 'No' on Prop 8. Good for them.

From: [identity profile] canandagirl.livejournal.com


Oh, did you see the ads for voting 'No' on prop 2 (mandating larger cages for chickens?). They said, "Voting yes on Prop 2 will encourage dependence on eggs being shipped in from Mexico."

It sort of reminded me on our dependence on foreign oil. Now there's talk about California's dependence on foreign eggs.

It still struck me funny, but then again, I have an odd sense of humor.
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Add me to the "do not understand" list.



I have absolutely no idea why some people believe that I should think that making it possible for some other people to create a lifelong partnership based on love will threaten my lifelong partnership based on love ... .



From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com


I am trying to be a little glad that it's gotten this far, that the bigots have to resort to manipulation to roll back civil rights that WE HAD, but I am still pretty fucking upset. People are bizarre, and in this case WRONG.

I just got back from having lunch with a friend whose lesbian mom living in CA voted for Prop 8. Between that and how many moronic initiatives my own state has passed in previous years, I don't see why most people should be let out without keepers.

But I am awfully pleased about Obama. And you were utterly awesome on fighting Prop 8, and that still rocks.

From: [identity profile] woodburner.livejournal.com


Wait... did you just say a lesbian voted FOR prop 8, or did I misunderstand?

From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com


No misunderstanding. The elusive gay Republican: does exist, is apparently batshit crazy.

From: [identity profile] woodburner.livejournal.com


I know gay republicans, and none of them are that crazy. I mean, generally a gay republican is fiscally conservative, not a self-destructive loon. I cannot fathom what she is thinking.
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Arrrrrgh, I know! I just. No words, so disappointed.

From: [identity profile] cicer.livejournal.com


I am absolutely heartbroken about prop 8. I really didn't think it would pass, and I'm so disappointed in my fellow Californians right now. I have faith that it will be overturned in time, but this is such a huge setback and I'm so angry and sad that so many people still think discrimination is OK.

From: [identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com


I do not understand how you guys can change your fucking Constitution with a popular vote. YOUR STATE. IT IS CRAZY.

But yes, hooray for Obama. What a relief.

From: [identity profile] wordkink.livejournal.com


Oh I got so mad I cried. And then I watched Obama's speech cried all over again for totally different reasons.

Lord, but this election has left me woozy.

From: [identity profile] mystcrave.livejournal.com


The passage of Prop 8 is a sad step backwards, but...
I still feel that we're moving forward. It's just going to take awhile and there will be more setbacks before we get there.

My partner of 13 years and I live in both Michigan and Ohio (because of kids and jobs). In the 2004 election, both Michigan and Ohio passed proposals similar to Prop 8. Some say that Ohio's proposition cost Kerry the election. It was devastating to us, but the aftermath seemed to help more than it hurt. A contrite Republican in Ohio tearfully apologized to us. And many people who had supported the proposition in Michigan were horrified when it actually affected the health insurance of state employees.

Having the support of so many straight people is heartening in a way that is almost impossible to convey. It makes it all bearable.
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