Okay, I didn't literally get thrown out with a parting, "And never come back!" But they did decline to accept my business.

(I used to think nobody ever really said, "And never come back!" That was before I got kicked out of a martial arts school with those exact words.)

Recently, I have started getting very bright, glittery white hairs. Just a few, but growing close together. They're quite pretty. I decided it would be useful to my future career, and hopefully cool, to enhance this effect by having the entire lock dyed white. (When I was about nine, I had a sort of platonic-admiring crush on a woman I knew who had black hair with a single white lock, which she told me was natural. It could happen!)

I got an appointment at the salon and attempted to explain what I wanted. This is how it went:

Stylist: "You mean you want blonde highlight?"

Me: "No, white highlights. See where it's going naturally white? I want you to make it look like the whole lock went white."

Stylist: "But that would make you look older."

Me: "I want to look older!"

Stylist (appalled): "Why would anyone want that?!"

Me: "For my career."

Stylist: "What???"

Me: "I'm thirty-seven!"

Stylist (astounded): "You are?!"

Me: "I'm trying to look my age."

Stylist: "Okay, well, it is impossible to dye hair white. Or gray! It can't be done! You have to bleach it, and then the hair is destroyed!"

Me (holding out white hairs): "You're telling me it's impossible to dye in more of these?"

Stylist (folding arms): "That's right!"

I left. I assume it cannot possibly really be impossible to dye hair white, even if you do have to bleach it twice. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) I'm thinking of trying a salon that caters more to punks, and walking in with a photo of Rogue from The X-Men, and just saying, "I want a white streak like Rogue's, right here."
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From: [personal profile] tigerflower


Oh, for heaven's sake, it is *not* impossible. You lift all the color out and then you use a toner to cancel out the undertones, either to white or to silver/gray. It does leave your hair pretty crispy because of the intensity of the bleaching... but it certainly *can* be done. I know because I've done it.

Fudge brand salon products have a good white toner called "Whiter Shade of Pale." It's semipermanent and works well, in my experience. You may also want to use a toning shampoo that is designed to help brighten silver/white hair, when you have the white or silver streak.

Making a dyed white or silver match your natural white or silver is very tricky, though. If that's what you're going for, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Do you know any good shampoos for grey-haired ladies? I've been using DevaCurl Lo-Poo for blondes, but I haven't been impressed. I asked my hairdresser about getting a blue rinse, the way little old ladies used to, but she said this used toxic chemicals that are no longer used.
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From: [personal profile] chomiji


You can try Shikai Platinum. I haven't needed it much, but it seemed to be doing an OK job. Whole Foods has it sometimes.

(I stopped coloring my hair about 9 months ago - it's about 95% silver-white on top and maybe 75% on the back and sides.)

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From: [identity profile] smillaraaq.livejournal.com


Hrmph. Somebody needs to inform all of the manufacturers of blue/violet shampoos and conditioners and toning colors they don't exist any more, then...

I cannot vouch for any of these directly, but these are what I've seen on the market when researching options for a friend who was letting her gray come in:

Jhirmack Silver Brightening Shampoo (there's also a matching conditioner): http://www.amazon.com/Jhirmack-Shampoo-Silver-Brightening-591/dp/B0006IJA5C

Jhirmack Distinctions Silver Plus Shampoo: http://www.amazon.com/Jhirmack-Silver-Plus-Agless-Shampoo/dp/B004R7R8G6

Clairol Shimmer Lights Shampoo (also a matching conditioner): http://www.amazon.com/Clairol-Shimmer-Lights-Shampoo-Blonde/dp/B000FVEKUU

Nexxus Simply Silver Colour Toning Shampoo: http://www.amazon.com/Nexxus-Simply-Silver-Shampoo-Platinum/dp/B0006ZEUUK

Pantene Pro-V Silver Expressions (discontinued by the manufacturer, but some online vendors still have old stock): http://www.medshopexpress.com/125115.html

L'oreal Professionel Expert Silver Shampoo: http://www.amazon.com/Professionnel-Expert-Serie-Silver-Shampoo/dp/B001P6BSPO

Aveda Blue Malva Shampoo (also matching conditioner): http://www.aveda.com/product/CATEGORY10515/PROD5794/Hair_Care/Shampoo/index.tmpl

Matrix Essentials So Silver Shampoo: http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Essentials-Silver-Shampoo-Liter/dp/B000T3M858

Also, many of the brass-neutralizing shampoos for platinum blondes might work -- check the color of the product, if it's violet or lavender rather than white or yellowish, it's probably something that should work.

Note that a lot of them look like standard sulfate-heavy formulas, which might be iffy if you're doing a curly-girl no-poo/low-shampoo sort of care routine; my friend's stylist also suggested that she only use the toning shampoo once a week or so (she has ultra-short hair that she washes daily) to prevent the hair from going too visibly blue/purple. If the shampoo ingredients all look iffy for your needs, you might want to look into toning colors/rinses instead -- Fudge's "Whiter Shade of Pale" (http://www.amazon.com/Fudge-Whiter-Shade-Professional-Toner/dp/B000S16X7U) has already been mentioned, Manic Panic has a similar toner called "Virgin Snow" (http://www.manicpanic.com/besthaircolor/virginsnow.html), Special Effects (my favorite of the unnatural-haircolor dye lines) just calls theirs "Mixer/Toner" -- http://www.amazon.com/Special-Effects-Color-Toner-Mixer/dp/B002GENWSU; in the more traditional beauty-supply shop brands, Clairol Jazzing in "Icicle" works the same way (http://www.amazon.com/Clairol-Jazzing-Icicle-3-Pack-Free/dp/B004KTM8RU), and they still make the old-fashioned Roux Fanci-Full temporary toning color rinses (and tinted styling mousse) in several white-to-gray toning shades: http://www.cachebeauty.com/wholsale/roux_rinse.htm. (Or if you seriously want to kick it old-school, well, there's always a drop or two of old-fashioned blueing in the rinse water...http://www.mrsstewart.com/)
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From: [identity profile] smillaraaq.livejournal.com


You're quite welcome!

If you're sensitive/picky about product fragrances, it can be kind of a crapshoot getting your hands on the silver toning shampoos in brick-and-mortar stores; in my experience a lot of groceries and drugstores and fancier cosmetic places like Sephora either don't stock them at all, or only have one brand on the shelves. Stuff marketed for blondes may be easier to find, and a lot of those are the same sort of purple-tinged color-corrector, like this John Frieda version: http://www.johnfrieda.com/en-US/ProductDetail/Hair-Care/Sheer-Blonde/Color-Renew-Tone-Correcting-Shampoo -- lots of other brands like Fudge, Joico, Lush, etc. all have violet shampoos labelled for blondes, but they'll work on white/gray hair as well. Other than online ordering, your best bet if you want to check a variety of different shampoo/conditioner, colour rinse, and toning colour brands in person is probably a Sally Beauty or similar beauty-supply store that's strongly focused on hair products -- the ones around here usually carry several brands of the silver/blonde toning shampoos, Jazzing, a few brands of the punky-unnatural vegetable dyes like Jerome Russell (their purple toner is called "Platinum Blonde": http://www.amazon.com/Jerome-Russell-Colour-Platinum-Blonde/dp/B001DKGK0A), and various other toning colours meant to be used with permanent color treatments.

I have not used any of the sheer purple toners, but I *have* used just about every temporary to semi-permanent non-lifting color on the market in the course of fifteen years of Mad Science Hair Experiments on myself, so I can at least speak a little bit to the texture and usability of those products in general. Regular Roux is thin and watery, which makes it pretty messy to use -- I find the mousse is easier to handle, it's just like an ordinary styling mousse with a hint of color in it. (Remember the funky colored styling mousses that were all the rage in the 80s? Roux mousse handles just like that.) Unless you're using a dark color on extremely porous hair, it will wash out more or less completely the next time you shampoo; it's also prone to rubbing off on clothing/linens, or running if you get caught in the rain. Jazzing is also very thin and liquidy, but not quite as watery as Roux -- the colors tend to go on very sheer and subtle unless you leave them on forever and/or heat-set them with a foil cap and/or hairdryer...a bad thing if you're trying for a dramatic change, but a good thing if you just want a sheer toner! They'll hold up for a few rounds of shampooing -- dark/vibrant colors again might rub off slightly on clothing/linens when damp, I don't know if the sheer lavender toner will be a problem there. The punky vegetable colors like Fudge, Manic Panic, Special Effects, Jerome Russell, etc. all have a very thick, creamy texture like a conditioner -- they're probably the easiest to handle without splashing color everywhere. Much like Jazzing, the lifespan of the color and intensity of the results you get varies depending on how long they sit on your hair, whether or not you heat-set them, etc., and the darker/brighter colors I used also would stain skin and surfaces, and rub off on fabrics, especially when fresh and/or damp.

There are professional permanent toners out there, mostly meant for people who are doing salon double-processes to go from dark to platinum blonde, but also some meant for long-lasting-toning on white-to-gray shades; I don't really have any personal experience with these, alas, my hair experiments have mostly been around going from natural light to unnatural dark shades.

If you're not allergic to salons and don't want to deal with the messy experimentation of the DIY stuff, you should be able to get a silverizing glaze that will essentially be like the modern longer-lasting equivalent of an old-time toning blue rinse to optically brighten white/gray hair -- if your stylist doesn't know how to use glazes to enhance the sparkle in gray hair, try a different salon. It may be a case like the person Rachel ran into where they're so used to a clientele that wants to cover every hint of gray that they don't keep up with the products and techniques that will be the most flattering to the folks who want to *flaunt* their gray hair. :)
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From: [personal profile] mme_hardy


Again, thank you so much. I've sent a link to the full page with the silverizing glaze to my hairdresser; I want to talk to her about evening out the gray.
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I hoped I would take after my father and paternal grandmother, both of whom were snowy white in their 30s. Alas, I took after my mother's side of the family, went white early (large white streaks in my 30s) but at 50 am still nutmeg-and-salt; almost pure white in the front, brown in the back.
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