Two articles on gender issues.



"Ideology, Myth, and Magic." Allan Johnson. Excellent takedown of the idea that neutral qualities like heroism, passivity, gentleness, intellect, etc, are masculine or feminine, and how that serves the patriarchy. Detailed and thoughtful.

What we call "unemotional" is actually a controlled emotional flatness that is no less an emotional state than hysteria, rage, or grief. [...] Being masculine is not about being unemotional. It's about acknowledging or expressing only those emotions that enhance men's control - anger and rage - and it's about renaming or explaining away all the rest.

"The Beast in Me." Matt Mahurin. (Featured on This American Life's "Testosterone.") Creepy guy gets illness which suppresses his testosterone, turns into a zombie; gets his testosterone restored, turns into a horndog.

How contempt - for the other, for the self - is a key ingredient in desire, the thing that makes sex "dirty," the way it should be. How at a primal level, men hate women and they hate us back - and how a sustaining current flows from this dark exchange, without which nothing can ever be erotic.

Oh, wait, that was actually a quote from a serial killer of women. Just kidding! It really is from the article.

Classic example of an individual projecting his own fucking creepy inner life onto all of humanity. No, I don't primally hate men, and I try hard not to ever sleep with men who primally hate women. Also, misogyny is not sexy.
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From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid


I try hard not to ever sleep with men who primally hate women

That's one of my general rules. Also people who think sex is dirty, whether they think it's a good thing or a bad thing. Sex is messy, but dirty seems to me to be a negative value, and tied to ideas of shame and disgust.
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Today my class studied, in part, Alfred Adler's "Masculine Protest" (a crappy translation), which he defined as a psychological complex that occurs when a person accepts that males/male traits are superior and females/female traits are inferior, and defines their own gender using that as a framework. Which I'm still kind of wrapping my mind around--he's not saying any gender expression is problematic, but that using gender as a measure of worth for a human being, on any level, is. And I kind of love this man from almost a century ago who decided that.
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As a lesbian separatist, I would just like to say that I don't believe in the inherent evil of men. Why is that guy so creepy?

From: [identity profile] vom-marlowe.livejournal.com


How at a primal level, men hate women and they hate us back - and how a sustaining current flows from this dark exchange, without which nothing can ever be erotic.

Guess that awesome lesbian sex I had a while back wasn't erotic. Oh, wait, it totally was. Loving and lacking in contempt, too. Kind of a puzzler. *rolls eyes*

From: [identity profile] marzipan-pig.livejournal.com


Well and as I was saying to a female friend recently, how much must men who think they have to push women into things hate THEMSELVES, to think we would only want to do sex with them if they made us? OK, own your kink and all, but find a way to act it out consensually, you know?
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I seriously don't understand that guy at ALL, nor do I think I want to. Sex is something two (or more) people do together, to have FUN. Fun may take on some aspects that would sound pretty strange out of the moment... but I am so not about the hatesex at ALL. D/s aspects, power exchange, sure... differentials can intensify things... but HATE? No thank you.

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Yeah. I know guys like that exist, but I have never been able to understand them.

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I dunno, maybe he's just not that into women.

Anyway, I may be doing something wrong, but sex for me is with an individual, not with a category. Usually (still for me personally) a context of love is simply necessary as well. Maybe my testosterone isn't as concentrated as his?

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


I dunno, maybe he's just not that into women.

That seems to me to be different from hating them. I mean, I'm not into men, but I don't have a deep visceral hate for men. (A lot of them annoy me, but that's not the same.)

From: [identity profile] foibos.livejournal.com


That seems to me to be different from hating them.

I wasn't entirely serious, but still: what if he isn't attracted to women but feels culturally obliged to direct his sexuality towards them. Wouldn't it be plausible that he misinterprets his own feelings as per the quote? Now, I really don't know if this is reasonable or not, I'm just speculating.

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Perhaps, but I am somewhat skeptical. There are still a fair number of men who date and even marry women and then later admit to themselves that they are gay. As far as I am aware they do not generally express feelings like this. And the men I am aware of who do express feelings like this have not (yet) said that they are not attracted to women. Admittedly this is all anecdotal.

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That first one sounds really useful.

From: [identity profile] fiveandfour.livejournal.com


That first book sounds fascinating and as if it approaches the subject from both a psychological and cultural point of view*. Is it good reading or a slog?

That second one...whoa...you would think someone would have told him, "No, it's just you and the serial killers, dude" by now. Apparently and sadly, doesn't seem that's the case. (Dare we say "physician, heal thyself" or is it too obvious?)

*To some extent, I would suppose *all* psychology must touch on culture in some way, but it sounds like this book is more explicit in its approach than the norm, which is of interest to me.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


It's an excellent read - a bit dense, but clear. But it's an article, not a book.

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Ew, that second article sounds like everything Camille Paglia has ever written. Does he also assert that men are terrified women will swallow them up with their unholy vaginas of doom?

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