Re: Taking it in context would require it to not have popped up suddenly from nowhere, I think

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
(shrug) It's OK to imagine dialogues with your computer or cat or car but ridiculous to imagine it with your penis? Fine. I don't have a penis but I wouldn't be surprised if men- who often personalize their penises- did indeed think of it as their best friend.
octopedingenue: (screw it. cue the lemur.)

[personal profile] octopedingenue 2006-11-13 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Metaphorical phallus glorification is far from a new course in Western literature. And I have tried to name my breasts on occasion (didn't stick), but I give full permission for anyone male or female to snicker at me about it.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-11-13 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm afraid I don't see why talking to a part of your body that's given you a lot of pleasure over the decades counts as glorification. In that passage at least- I haven't read the rest of the book and wouldn't be at all surprised if Bradbury thinks like Heinlein- it comes off as simple appreciation.

That there *is* a tradition of penis glorification is undeniable, but does that mean every positive reference to the penis is part of the tradition? Either disparage penises or be a phallocrat? How... limiting. Surely it's possible to simply like your penis (or your partner's) the way you like your legs or eyes. They're neat. They're useful. I'm grateful I have them: they make my life so much better. I don't think that constitutes glorification.
octopedingenue: (book heart)

[personal profile] octopedingenue 2006-11-13 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I've realized I cannot sustain specific discussion about the talking penis scene without going into detail about the context of sexual politics throughout the rest of the book, which you've said you haven't read yet, so I thank you for an interesting discussion and I am bowing out now.