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rachelmanija Feb. 12th, 2009 01:02 pm)
rachelmanija Feb. 12th, 2009 01:02 pm)In honor of Cantarella being about the tenth manga to make me root for the incest pairing, I present a fictional sibling incest poll! It is limited to siblings, half-siblings, clones, cousins, and other non-parental cases, because I find the latter too disturbing to even think about.
Please spoiler-protect all comments that need spoilers, either through blackout or rot13.com. If it is revealed as a surprise anywhere later than halfway through volume 1, it is a spoiler!
[Poll #1348303]
ETA: If I could edit polls, I'd edit Faye/Diana from L. J. Smith's The Secret Circle into the last category.
Please spoiler-protect all comments that need spoilers, either through blackout or rot13.com. If it is revealed as a surprise anywhere later than halfway through volume 1, it is a spoiler!
[Poll #1348303]
ETA: If I could edit polls, I'd edit Faye/Diana from L. J. Smith's The Secret Circle into the last category.
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Fourth is Blackcest, in general.
I'm sad I don't have any incest icon anymore.
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You're probably right about Anthy/Akio! I couldn't recall if it was stated/shown or just strongly implied.
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I see Akio/Anthy as canon, Miki/Kozue as strongly implied and canon from Kozue's part, Nanami/Touga as merely played with for mindfuck purpose :)
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[fairly mild Cantarella spoilers, the important part of which can fairly easily be guessed] Because sometimes I am a mushbot and so I root for
the Harlequin romanceChiaro/Lucrezia, which at least has a vague chance of not ending very very badly. Now, the other canon incestuous siblings...(there are a lot of canon incestuous siblings in Canarella)BTW, if you haven't acquired the rest of Cantarella by A-Kon, let me know and I'll toss it in my suitcase.
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That was before Cantarella and Angel Sanctuary warped my brain, though.
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Perhaps you should try watching it again now :D
Someday I really need to try finish reading Angel Sanctuary.
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AiIIIIIIEEEEE Ed/Al! It is doubly bad now that I have brother rats named after them! There is SO MUCH WRONG!
Also, I rewatched the Utena movie with
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3. Siegmund and Sieglinde from Wagner's Ring Cycle. (Number One. With a bullet. Shame about their lard-headed offspring.)
5/6. A fascinating but DEFINITELY squicky pair for any number of reasons: Elsie Dinsmore and her dear old Dad. They definitely have a Vibe going, and it's highly unsettling.
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*overthinks*
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Dear god, yes. I remember reading the first few books and thinking that even people who steadfastly cling to the 'it was written in a more innocent time!!' excuse when it comes to possible subtext would have to admit that something skeevy was going on there.
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When the happy couple had to kick Dad out of their bedroom on their wedding day, even the narrator seemed taken aback.
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Sou and Ai! Non-incestuous incest, which may really be incest... or possibly not?
Faye and Diana, and also Jenny and her cousin. Whose name I do not recall now.
Joaquin Phoenix had a creepy vibe with his sister in Gladiator. That's all I remember about that film to this day.
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worsebettermore unsettling than I'd remembered. The first couple of books one could maybe let slide, given the time period's dreamy view of children as uncorrupted and totally innocent, but once it gets into her teens? Eeesh.From:
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For #1, my vote is for Koshiro+Nanoka from Koi Kaze.
---L.
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And they're just awesome books in general with a complex fantasy world and a main character who is gay without the book being about him being gay.
The Winter Prince by Elizabeth E. Wein is awesome too-- Mordred's relationship with his mother is fucked beyond all belief, and he starts to take it out on his younger twin siblings (Arthur's legitimate children).
And Smoke and Mirrors, by Tanya Huff. An incestuous ghost pair, kind of in the background.
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In Hodgell's Kencyrath series, Tori/Jame has potential but she hasn't managed to make it very hot yet.
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Was kind of amused that you listed Ed/Al under the squick category but nowhere else, when that's one of my favorite incest pairings. Basically I pretty much agree with everything that's written in the Ship Manifesto someone wrote for them ages ago.
TL;DR, the emotions between them are incredibly intense, they're completely alone in the world, they're socially inept (Ed especially), co-dependant, living entirely for the sake of each other, etc. etc. It's a kind of devotion that could be creepy except neither character becomes a punching bag for the other - both Ed and Al will still bitchslap (sometimes literally, sometimes metaphorically..) each other when they're upset enough.
I wonder why it squicks some people so bad, really - especially since Al doesn't even have a body so 99% of the time the relationship can't even be physical, only emotional...and even if it were physical, they're both boys, so one of people's number one squicks about incest (OMG screwed up incest babies!) can't happen...
In all honesty most of the time I like to imagine them living happilly and asexually ever after as crazy old hermits, studying and reading and avoiding the rest of society. Probably with about a million pet cats.
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As far as it's been studied out in the real world, incestuous relationships generally come from relatives who have been separated, not those who've grown up as family-- Gonou and Kanan from Saiyuki are actually the perfect example of this in fiction, they were raised separately and reunited as adults. So you have to work extra-hard, IMO, to make an incest ship work when they've grown up together. (This is why I sometimes have trouble with Ed and Winry, honestly, especially in the anime.)
So some of the squicking comes from that, and some comes from the frankly horrible fics out there-- which is true of any pairing but for some reason people think of some freaky shit to do with Al's metal body-- and I think some of the squicking comes from the emotional aspects of it honestly. Physical attraction feels more irrational to us than emotional attraction, so having brothers-- on a purely emotional level-- rather fuck each other is doubly weird.
And the other thing is what makes incest so taboo; we're trained to hold those family ties as sacred, so the very strength of their bonds makes people extra-squicked when they're violated.
I can sort of see them as crazy hermits with multiple cats.