I absolutely don't have time for this so don't get your expectations up...

[rachelmanija]

But can someone help me out with some Hawkeye/Black Widow resources?

Movie spoilers.



1. Is there a transcript anywhere of their conversation when he wakes up post-brainwashing?

2. Does anyone recall what is implied about what it felt like to be brainwashed by Loki? The scientist guy talked about it, but I forget the details.

3. What is comic canon for how much Clint knows about Natasha's time in the Red Room? Like, does he know that it happened but not the details? Or does he know details? Or not even know what it was?

Comments

[rachelmanija.livejournal.com]

Ooh, I would love to read that!

I don't think her fear is rape either. I think "intimate" isn't in a sexual sense, but emotional. I took as betrayal by a person she actually trusts, in a moment in which she genuinely trusts him. To really twist the knife, I think she'd have to believe that he betrayed her of his own free will, not because he was brainwashed and forced into it. No idea how Loki intended to manage that one.

[tool-of-satan.livejournal.com]

No idea how Loki intended to manage that one.

Loki isn't as clever as he thinks he is.

[swan-tower.livejournal.com]

I think that's part of it, but I also think there must be more. Some specific fear she has, that pretty much only Barton (and now Loki) knows about.

But yeah, the "free will betrayal" part is hard to arrange.

[arielstarshadow.livejournal.com]

Unless she did something in her past life - something that Loki somehow discovered - that would make Clint turn against her if he found out.

[swan-tower.livejournal.com]

But it raises the question of how Loki would have discovered it (other than via Clint). And furthermore, he'd have to unbrainwash Clint first, which undermines the whole plan.

[arielstarshadow.livejournal.com]

My understanding from that particular speech is that it was something that would happen much later - it had nothing to do with the current "plan."

As for how he would have discovered it? Loki's gifts are cunning, wit, and trickery - how did he get the jotuns into Asgard? I don't think it would be very difficult at all for him to sniff out someone's secrets, if he wished to know them. I do not think Clint was his only source for information.