I have been doing a lot of activism with Swing Left geared toward flipping Republican districts in my area to Democrats. Yesterday we had the primaries. Cut for stuff about California elections.

It was a pretty chaotic primary due to California's weird "jungle primary" system in which the top two candidates advance regardless of party, Democratic enthusiasm resulting in multiple Democratic candidates splitting the vote, and Democratic candidate egos resulting in low-polling candidates refusing to drop out. It's preliminarily looking like we avoided the disaster of having Democrats locked out of the ballot in November in races they might have otherwise won, but it won't be a sure thing for a few more days. Some races are extremely close (like, under 100 votes), there's absentee ballots still to be counted, and an apparent clerical error in LA left 119,000 voters off the rolls so they had to vote provisionally.

I have been canvassing in District CA-48, among other places, which is currently held by Dana Rohrbacher (commonly known as R-Moscow.) There were EIGHT Democratic candidates, three of whom dropped out but too late to be removed from the ballot (all three of them got 1% or more of the vote), and many more polling at impossible-to-win numbers but refusing to drop out.

The top two D candidates are Harley Rouda (a former Republican who donated to Republicans as late as 2016) and Hans Kierstead (subject of a bizarre scandal - he says he tried to break up a drunken fight, the other story says he drunkenly punched a female student in the face, he was exonerated but who knows what really happened). A giant intra-party clusterfuck resulted in them splitting the endorsements and polling exactly equally. When I canvassed, several people told me they had already "voted for the Democrat." When I asked them which one, they said, "Uh, the one whose name starts with an H."

Hans and Harley are currently only 73 votes apart, with absentee and provisional ballots still being counted. 12,000 people voted for some Democrat who wasn't either of them.

In cheerier news, the Democrat I preferred in my closest swing district (CA-25 - Simi Valley/Santa Clarita, currently held by Trump fan Steve Knight), Katie Hill, has a 2 point lead over the alternative, Bryan Caforio. I look forward to campaigning for her.

The big problem is apathy. I can't tell you how many people told me they don't vote, don't want to, and don't want to tell me why. I get them not wanting to talk to some annoying person accosting them, but CA really does have wretched turnout among registered voters, and a lot of it seems to be "Who cares?/They all suck/Nothing ever changes." I have some good arguments against all of those, but the non-voters don't want to talk about it, so I can't present them.

I think I'm going to start cold-calling high schools and see if they'll let me come in and register/pre-register students to vote. (In California you can pre-register at age 16, and be automatically registered when you turn 18.) There should be a fair number of people who just turned 18 or will be 18 by November. I have overall gotten a much better response at high schools than anywhere else. (College students are constantly rushing to class and/or not interested, people at libraries are already registered, and DMVs/groceries/etc will kick you off their property.)

Oh yeah, and it looks like Gavin Newsom will be our next governor, since he's squaring off with some generic Trump-favored Republican. I look forward to Trump resistance, more housing (hopefully affordable), and high-speed rail.
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Aw, thanks for doing the good work. <3
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The high school thing sounds like a GREAT idea - it's a good thing in itself, AND you will get more results, which is good for you as well as the cause.
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If it helps any sometimes people randomly change over the years. Probably not. But I'm sharing this anyway because seriously, somehow when I was 18 I was apolitical and didn't want to vote, and by the time the next election came around, it was super close (as in, I found out really late, because I don't keep track of Spanish politics) and I went on a fucking mission finding out about what was on the ballot so I could vote. I've voted in everything since. In four years I somehow went from "I don't want to talk about this" to "I'm not helping the fucking right wing win", so... there's that.
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Ouch, thank you for work, best of luck for California! Yeah, glad high schools are giving results.
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I just moved back to the US (a week and a half ago) and am looking to start volunteering with people in the Swing Left/Sister District/Flippable type groups. What was starting out in your area like? (Already signed up on the sites, curious about the experience.)

I feel like a lot of the people I talk to here aren't quite opposed to voting, but consider it useless enough that they don't bother if they're tired/have a long work shift that day/have trouble with transit. So you can give them the whole argument and they'll agree with you on all of your points, and then still be kind of "eh" about showing up. (Eg. The friend I was talking to about this today who agreed with that and then was like "...and here I am, not voting in the primary.")
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Yeah, unfortunately Pennsylvania doesn't allow voting by mail except for documented disability and absentee voting, which is itself a hassle to set up (I got to do it for the primaries while in Canada), so there's no easier alternative here. There is legislation in the state congress trying to fix that! But it's probably hopeless until/unless we flip the state legislature. And I agree that most people who ultimately don't feel voting is important enough to prioritize it won't want to schedule a ride, either.

I wonder how "If you show up at the polls this fall and flip the legislature, they'll pass no excuse mail in voting, and you'll never have to show up in person ever again" would do as a voting pitch.

I'll let you know how it goes! I just looked up a couple of events in my closest swing district and there are a few voting/canvassing drives not too far away. Unfortunately I am about to start a new job and have no idea what my schedule is going to be, so I can't commit to anything just yet.
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From: [personal profile] slashmarks


I know, right? In NORMAL democracies, federal election days are federal holidays, for exactly this reason. It's supposed to be easy to vote.

I'm definitely going to keep it in reserve for the "Well, I don't know" and "I guess" people now that I've thought of it.
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Historical reasons! No, really, at the time it was originally set up it was so that people could be at church on Sunday, travel on Monday (by horse to the County Seat or the State Capital), and vote on Tuesday, and was in November because at that point the harvest should have been in, but the weather should still have allowed relatively easy travel. (This also came from a time when only male land-holders could vote.)

Now, why that hasn't been changed in the last 100 years since we got 5-day work weeks and the franchise was expanded and we have cars and things, that I can't tell you other than inertia, but there really was logic at the time the convention of voting on Tuesdays was established.
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From: [personal profile] hederahelix


You know why we don't vote on weekends these days: it would be an abomination to vote on the sabbath.

Of course, the pesky problem in a pluralistic society is that there is not just one sabbath.

Then I wondered why we don't get a holiday for voting, and the answer was just as sadly obvious: heaven forbid any company have to pay rank and file workers more in this day and age.

Also, given that my friggin city insists on having its municipal elections on a different day than the statewide primary or actual election, I already have to vote at least three times a year, and in this economic climate, the fact that states vote on different days for primaries means that you can't have a federal holiday for all voting days, no matter what.

So the weirdly localized part strikes again.
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I mean, these days lots of people work on weekends so that's not a great solution, either. Making voting day a mandatory day off that even retail can't be open on would be the best, though honestly just making everything vote by mail (no postage required) would be even better.

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I confused some people campaigning for their favorite candidate at the train station a few times by saying I'd voted last week. (By mail, natch.) IDEK, how can they not be aware it's the easiest way for a CA resident with a tough commute to vote?

Thanks for working to register voters!
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Yikes, that primary race sounds like a hot mess on wheels.
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Those California primaries were bananas. Is anyone lobbying to get rid of the open primary system in the state, or is it too soon?

I'm dying for Wisconsin to get a Democratic governor, but our primary isn't until August and we have something like 9 Democratic gubernatorial candidates right now, >_<


I have what might be a weird/annoying question, so feel free to give it a pass & not answer if you don't want to. I've been curious about SwingLeft and like-organizations. Does it feel weird to be visiting other districts (i.e., that you don't live in) to encourage people to vote a particular way?

I don't mean in the 'what if they realize I don't live in the community!' way, because presumably most people would not.
But more like, registering people to vote is one thing, but I feel way less comfortable saying, "Hey, Person X, you should vote for Candidate Y to represent you." It's a different vibe than calling/going door-to-door in places where we share the same representatives - where I can say, "We should vote for x to represent us."

It came up on a panel I was recently on about the 2018 midterms, and it's a thing I've been really curious about. I know that things like McCain's last-minute floor vote on a procedural move regarding the repeal of the ACA last fall had a profound effect on many who don't live in Arizona, for example.
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I get like a million "sign this petition" emails per day and there have been several recently for getting rid of the open primary. No idea how much good petitions actually do, but I signed them.
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I like that it lets me vote for De Leon in protest against Feinstein's fairly conservative policies generally, my disagreements with her on National Security, reasonable law enforcement/privacy boundaries, and why it isn't different when it happens to her aides instead of to me, and have that vote count too. There are some districts where it's a genuine benefit to be able to pick your favorite flavor of the party since the party decision is a given.

Granted, I was filtering some of the lists to remove the ones who didn't raise any campaign money on the grounds they weren't likely to be serious contenders. I agree that's not an ideal filter parameter, and it's not sure to catch the ones who tried hard and got 1% of the vote.
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I've been taking a small SwingLeft group from San Francisco out to CA10 (Tracy, Turlock, Modesto, Merced) once a month since January. Very similar story: two GOP candidates, a hot mess of Dems none of whom amassed enough of a plurality for the State Dem endorsement. It's going to come down to about 800 votes but it looks like one Dem, Josh Harder, narrowly edged out the second Republican for second place.

Scary part is, the two Republicans together got 52% of the vote. We need to get way more Dems out in November to actually flip CA10.
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SwingLeft is all over the high schoolers and the new citizens coming out of the Paramount Theatre in Oakland: on May 3, one of my SwingLeft colleagues there registered brand-new-citizen me :)
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I am also sort of wondering, though, how much of it is a sense that "meh the primaries are just to decide who from each party is going to run, and since I already know I'm voting for the Democrat why bother?"

I mean yes: this is a misunderstanding of the situation. But it's one I could see arising very easily, especially with people who are stressed out or overworked or whatever.
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I mean I suppose the other side of it is to, naturally, take this as a reason to make lots and lots of noise at people that the midterm actual voting is HELLA IMPORTANT LOOK AT THE LOW PRIMARIES THIS COULD BE DREADFUL etc etc?

But yeah like . . . I sort of try to overlay the kind of awareness, understanding and attitudes of, say, the people I knew in university or the people I met at playgroups and stuff when nannying, and even if they might possibly be motivate-able for the actual election, for the primaries it'd be a hard sell.

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Oh god. Yeah. I mean right there you have a combination of high-mental-stress activity (voting being only more emotionally fraught the more important it is), high-potential-for-confusion, AND THEN an additional low-specific-urgency ("it doesn't matter come the midterms I'll be voting for a Democrat anyway"), and that's like a super winning combination for "a lot of people maybe having the Good Intentions to Sit Down And Answer Their Ballots and then oh shit that's today welp too late now" happening an awwwwful lot.
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Board of Equalization manages and administers state sales and use taxes (and fuel taxes and alcohol and tobacco taxes and other specific-use taxes.)

(Use taxes are the taxes you are /supposed/ to pay if you buy something in another state and bring it in to California to be used here. particularly if you are buying it in a state without sales tax. Almost no one /does/, mind you, except on really large items like cars and boats for which they will actually go after you on that stuff.)
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I mean I'm not shocked that people saying "not interested" also didn't want to talk about it? There was actually a point in the early 10s where I would have been one of those people (and honestly maintain that with the options I had at the time* that wasn't unreasonable), and the LAST THING IN THE UNIVERSE I had any interest at all in doing would have been listening to a stranger explain to me personally, on the spot, why I was wrong (with the possible implication that I was a bad person and/or stupid).

So I kind of suspect that this kind of canvas is not a way that is going to ever reach people willing to tell you that they don't vote/aren't interested. I think there are potentially other ways to reach them, but I also suspect that they would rely way more heavily on finding a way to present them with the relevant info in a way that does not single them out or make them feel specifically Talked At.

I just also suspect that the overall poor turnout for primaries does not in and of itself indicate much about potential turnout for the actual midterms, one way or the other, because to some extent a lot of the people most motivated to vote in the primaries at this point are absolutely going to be doing it on the basis of party-alignment, rather than specific-individual-campaign-platforms. Which is to say, if you're really invested in turning Cali blue (and especially if you don't realize that there could be a shut-out of the Democrats completely!), then you actually have even less reason to be motivated with a sense of urgency to actually take time out of your life for the primary.

Which: is not a guarantee that there are a lot more of those people, either. I just think that part creates this huge ???? factor that means the primary-turnout is not super relevant for prognosis.



(*literally at that point the leader of the Liberal party was a torture apologist with significant sympathy with the US military operations, which Harper at least didn't say in public, so without me actually being psychic about the future it was pretty hard to choose between them)

(so add that to the fact that voting represented "hello have an anxiety attack you won't acknowledge is an anxiety attack but will just beat yourself up for hours for being Too Stupid To Understand Where You Need To Go To Vote" and all sorts of other major mental health damage, and wow was I not motivated to put myself through the psychological anguish involved to decide between Harper and Ignatieff and party platforms that were basically the same thing except calling the other side a liar)
Edited (I remember which decade is which and will also stop editing this comment now I swear) Date: 2018-06-07 12:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tibicina


I tend to emphasize to people that the propositions are important and that things like the Judge races are really important (and then I explain how to look up information on the Judges so they can make decisions there.)

And, of course, in California you can say 'Look, it's the top two going to the final ballot - you want to make sure that at least one of them is the person you want.'
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Getting info and registrations at high schools sounds terrific. I've done voter registration at a community college (in California), which had enough non-local students that we kept busy re-registering students with their new college addresses (so they'd get their ballots and stuff before the election in stead of at Thanksgiving), and of course some excited new 18s. It's a Democrat-heavy area, so no doubt there's some self-selection in who's coming in already interested.

While it may be more traditional and more local-grassroots to campaign in your home district, the Representatives and Senators who are elected will make the law for the whole U.S., so support their campaigns as you will. (Only *vote* in your own district.)
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I remember seeing something earlier this week about how Democratic candidates in California were dropping out and endorsing one of the remaining candidates to prevent vote-splitting and prevent two Republicans from being on the ballot and I will admit to being very confused about how it all works and shrugging and since I don't live/vote in California, figured it wasn't something I needed the background on. I will admit to still being a little confused, but the whole situation sounds bananas!
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From: [personal profile] tibicina


It was put in place because semi-frequently in many districts both top Democrats received more actual votes in the primaries than the top Republican, but the final ballot would be 1 Dem and 1 Republican (and a bunch of independent candidates, which could split the vote weird ways as well.)

This way if you have one Democrat getting 35% of the total vote and one getting 30% and then a Republican at 20% and some other people with smaller results, the final ballot will have two Democrats. But, of course, this works similarly going the other way. And it works best when you have 2-4 candidates per party rather than 12 Democrats, 8 Republicans, and 12 minor party and no-party affiliation candidates. (Part of the problem with this particular primary is that we ended up with a lot of races which looked like 'A: 35%, B: 18%, C: 18% (but a few actual votes lower), D: 17%, E: 10%, F: 4%, G: 3%,...')

It also allows people who are registered as Independents to vote for the major party candidates which they would like to support (even if they don't always vote for the same party in every race.)

There really are a lot of good reasons for it, but this particular election is pretty much a worst case scenario.
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Really interesting -- thanks for sharing, and thanks for your hard work! I always vote, but WA makes it easy -- we vote by mail. I wonder if turnout would be better if more places were willing to do this. When I lived in Virginia, lots of people didn't vote because they worked shitty jobs (I did too) and weren't able to get time off work to vote (even though that's completely illegal, it was widespread). After I moved here, I wondered why more places didn't do it this way -- it's super easy.
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I love WA vote-by-mail, especially since I use a ballot drop box and almost always see other people around when I drop mine off. Gives me some of the good feeling of going on election day without all the bad aspects of in-person weekday voting.

Not as thrilled that we also have a top two primary, even though sometimes it means I get a general election choice between two progressive Democrats.
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I'm glad you're out there doing this--especially with the pre-registration of the students, which is where I really have faith that the tide will eventually turn.

And a thousand cheers to the last paragraph.
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Oh, huh--I'm out here in Texas and we had tons of turnout in our primaries, especially the Dem primaries. I think our word has gotten out that the primaries are super important here because there's this weird idea that milquetoast Dems do better since we're traditionally such a red state, but in my experience in the South it's actually the super progressive tough candidates who tend to fire up enough enthusiasm to get in and stay in. People don't trust the centrists at all, which is fair because they're often Republican Lite and why bother going out of your way for that? It probably helps that Beto O' Rourke's run is drumming up so much enthusiasm; I think a lot of people wanted to vote for him specifically in the primary, and once they were there you might as well pick the more progressive candidates for the smaller offices.

Also, we don't do that weird jungle primary thing--it sounds like a goddamn mess!--and so because of gerrymandering, the primaries are effectively the total race in several districts. So we had, for example, a very hotly-contested primary for my state rep district that went into a primary runoff because whoever wins will with about 95% certainty become the new state rep. We had tons and tons of really aggressive progressives with strong campaigns tackling Dem districts across the state, too--I really think we're going to flip Texas overall within the next, mmm, ten years or so as the small victories encourage Texans to actually believe it can be done. The biggest scandal I've seen was the national party interfering in a DCCC primary to back a more centrist candidate against a more progressive one without really actually checking in with folks in her district, pissing off people in town heavily--the national party is not popular among Texan progressives, what with the whole repeatedly totally abandoning us thing. Which.... Texas is nearly as big as Cali, what are they thinking?

It's always really interesting to hear what perspectives are across the nation! I teach at UT Austin, and my students are very very invested in voting to the point of at least one student climbing onto her chair and yelling at everyone to get registered and giving people advice about how to register in a slow point of class last winter. (I teach genetics lab, mostly to seniors, so it's not like they're all politicians either.) It's possible that the college kids are giving you lukewarm results because the ones who give any shits at all have already been registered by student groups.
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From: [personal profile] hederahelix


The big problem is apathy. I can't tell you how many people told me they don't vote, don't want to, and don't want to tell me why. I get them not wanting to talk to some annoying person accosting them, but CA really does have wretched turnout among registered voters, and a lot of it seems to be "Who cares?/They all suck/Nothing ever changes."

This.

So much this.

And I do not understand that at all.

As you might imagine, I routinely talk to my classes about these issues, and I hear variations on that a lot. I even tried reverse psychology with the first years by giving them an article about how low information voters are too poorly informed to vote, so they shouldn't. (An argument that would have had me howling from rooftops in rage when I was their age. Mind you, at the time I was there age, I was either in a Deep South state or had recently escaped from one, so the whole idea of a voter literacy test had a very particular and very horrifying resonance for me at their age.)

Nothing seems to work.

I do not understand.

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