Amazon restored the account! Thank you all SO MUCH for your help.

I am pretty sure that this saga, which lasted over a month, was due to Amazon turning over its book review process to AI. We were never able to speak to a human being from that department, and customer service told us that it doesn't have a phone number and it's impossible for them to contact anyone in it!

All the contact we had with the department banning first the book (the fifth in a series they published with no issues, I might add) and finally our entire account consisted of absolutely nonsensical emails that made no reference to anything we'd said or any of the documentation we sent them, ignored direct questions and requests like "Please tell us exactly what proof you'll accept so we can provide it to you," and sometimes included literal gibberish like "If you can attach IDs where we can confirm those signs as valid, please reply."

We have no idea what did the trick. Was it the social media campaign? Did one of our emails finally catch the attention of a human? Did an AI just decide we were okay now?

So if you're an author publishing on Amazon, uh, watch out. Also, when we used to worry about AIs taking over, we thought of stuff like Skynet nuking the world. Did any science fiction writer predict that AIs would destroy us by canceling our livelihoods and sending maddening emails?
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From: [personal profile] illariy


Holy crap, that is terrifying. Something right out of a science fiction film. :O
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From: [personal profile] naomikritzer


This sort of thing is SO FRUSTRATING.
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From: [personal profile] kass


So glad it was reinstated.

I've had difficulties with KDP lately too, and I wonder whether they really have turned book review over to an AI. Ugh.
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From: [personal profile] oursin


From my own experience with them, this sounds only too plausible. Though the actual algorithms they're working on, if it's not some entirely random process, are very bizarre.

I'm glad to hear that it is possible to get some result out of them!
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From: [personal profile] magistrate


...you know, there is a classic 1965 sci-fi short story called "Computers Don't Argue" which is basically this. Life imitates art imitates life imitates absurdity?

I'm very glad that things got resolved. I hope they stay resolved. I also hope Amazon fixes its shit, though I suspect that's not likely. :/
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From: [personal profile] carbonel


You beat me to it! I searched on Dickson's name first, but not the title of the story.
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From: [personal profile] magistrate


I definitely should have listed the author's name! Best practices. To be honest, I didn't even remember who'd written it before I looked it up; I read it long ago in probably-college and only the title and plot stuck with me. And then I riffed on it years later in my Final Fantasy VIII fanfiction days, and I guess that reinforced the neural pathways enough that now the story just exists as a meme in the back of my brain.
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From: [personal profile] mecurtin


Modified rapture! Modified because you still don't know what *worked*, so no-one really knows how to fix such problems when they inevitably happen again.

From: [personal profile] thomasyan


Glad it got restored! What a nightmare.

> Did any science fiction writer predict that AIs would destroy us by canceling our livelihoods and sending maddening emails?

I'll be curious if anyone provides any examples.

I'm reminded of the movie Brazil, where bureaucracy runs amok with disastrous consequences. Computerization, including AI, can make that happen faster.

Also reminded of smart contracts atop the blockchain: If something goes wrong and the blockchain has the final word, there is no recourse, such as in the court system.
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer


So glad that Amazon restored the account! But WOW, turning book review over to AI sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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From: [personal profile] philomytha


I'm glad you've got things working again, but what a mess! Talk about 'computer says no' taken to the max.
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From: [personal profile] ratcreature


Glad the account got restored.

I guess the assumption that they'd only replace humans once computers can actually accomplish a task somewhat was overly optimistic.

Reminds me of the AI "delivery robot" that Amazon trialed, that moved at slower than walking speed and couldn't really cope with using the sidewalk and had to be rescued by people all the time because it got stuck. I think they abandoned that concept for now, so hopefully the AI content review meets the same fate.
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From: [personal profile] scioscribe


The evil is defeated! I give your DW post a great deal of the credit.

Uh, on the bright side of all the AI stuff, I guess we have the makings of a pretty good apocalyptic SF film that we could make on a low budget. Maybe?

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From: [personal profile] davidgillon


Victory!

Did any science fiction writer predict that AIs would destroy us by canceling our livelihoods and sending maddening emails?

If not, I think you have first claim on that one!
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From: [personal profile] carbonel


>Did any science fiction writer predict that AIs would destroy us
>by canceling our livelihoods and sending maddening emails?

Yes, more or less. Gordon Dickson wrote "Computers Don't Argue" in 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers_Don%27t_Argue

ETA: Also, I'm very glad you got your account back!
Edited Date: 2022-10-22 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zdenka


I'm glad to hear it's fixed! What a strange (and doubtless very frustrating!) course of events.
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From: [personal profile] rattfan


I've had this experience with Facebook, where an AI [I'm hoping a human wouldn't be so thick] interpreted me quoting Dorothy Parker as an actual intention of mayhem. I never could get a response from a person and still have the 'warning'on my a/c. So the madness is spreading.
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From: [personal profile] vass


UGH. I'm glad Zoe's back.
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From: [personal profile] maharetr


Gyah! That's so gross and stressful, and the bit where you never actually got to talk to a person is so creepy to me. I'm glad it's sorted, but holy shit. #TheTechnologyDystopiaIsNow?
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From: [personal profile] calandrahunter


"Did any science fiction writer predict that AIs would destroy us by canceling our livelihoods and sending maddening emails?"

And maddening pro-NFT tweets! (The automation behind that is laughable. I kept getting likes on my 'NFTs are scams btw' tweets from pro NFT people)
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From: [personal profile] asakiyume


So relieved to hear this, but yes, re: AI and how it takes over/ruins lives--not with sentience but with barrier-making.

I think in the future rich people will pay a premium to interact with real people. The rest of us plebs will be yelling at an electronic wall.
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From: [personal profile] telophase


Did any science fiction writer predict that AIs would destroy us by canceling our livelihoods and sending maddening emails?

Umberto Eco did in his essay "How to Travel with a Salmon."
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From: [personal profile] lydamorehouse


Shawn and I who own the DUMBEST Alexa/Amazon Echo in existence often joke that when people said we would die at the hands of our robot overlords, no one was clear that it would be BY INCOMPETENCE.

So, yeah, I hear you.

Glad Zoe is back!
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From: [personal profile] derien


Also, when we used to worry about AIs taking over, we thought of stuff like Skynet nuking the world. Did any science fiction writer predict that AIs would destroy us by canceling our livelihoods and sending maddening emails?"

Maybe this is like the AI in the Zelazny story my Eor was just telling me about: It's just sadistic and loves to torture humans. Most of them manage to get away from it via suicide, but it keeps the last man alive and frustrates all his attempts, just so it can torture him.
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From: [personal profile] derien


Yeah, he was alternating between huge compilations of Ellison and Zelazny for a while there, so the confusion makes sense. :)
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