Where would one normally learn to touch-type, other than high school?

I taught myself to type and don't use all my fingers, and think that maybe changing my technique would help my RSI. (The occupational therapist thought it was worth a try.)

I am having a google fail moment, as various permutations of "touch typing class" "typing class" etc, and my location are not producing anything useful.

From: [identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com


Typing of the Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Typing_of_the_Dead), if you can find an old Windows copy. :D

Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing is the old classic computer program that teaches it - there's probably updated versions out there now.


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From: [identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com


Yup! Version 17 (http://www.broderbund.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1045&mainPID=1045&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C8%2C64&iProductID=1045), even. WHich you can get from Amazon for less, and probably elsewhere, too, if you do a bit of searching.

From: [identity profile] newport2newport.livejournal.com


That's how both my sons learned how to type. Mavis is a great motivator and teacher. :)

From: [identity profile] badnoodles.livejournal.com


The problem with Typing of the Dead, awesome as it is, is that it's not very good for the true novice - someone just learning where to put their fingers on the keyboard or breaking bad habits. Once you've gotten that part down, it's much more effective. And addictive.

From: [identity profile] emluv.livejournal.com


I learned at my home town's continuing education program, which was held at night at the local high school and included business classes and things like calligraphy and pottery. Maybe a technical or secretarial school? Do secretarial schools still exist? Also, I believe there are computer programs out there that test the speed of your typing. Really, once know which key goes with which finger, it's just a matter of practicing and, in your case, probably unlearning old habits.

This looks like it might be useful:
http://www.customtyping.com/
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From: [personal profile] cofax7


There is training software available; my dad taught himself to touch-type in his 50s.

From: [identity profile] yhlee.livejournal.com


Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing (http://www.download.com/Mavis-Beacon-Teaches-Typing-17-Deluxe/3000-2051_4-10441796.html) is a program I've heard about--free to try, if you're willing to go through it yourself.

I learned touch typing in elementary school :-D but had some luck teaching myself to touch type Dvorak with a possibly-similar program for the Mac. (Note that I am not advocating that you switch to Dvorak, unless you want to!)

Try "keyboarding"? Or maybe computer literacy classes would cover it as well?

From: [identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com


(But what Typing of the Dead lacks in seriousness compared to Mavis Beacon, it makes up for in PURE AWESOME. XD)
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From: [personal profile] octopedingenue


(Does it use numbers as well? I can touchtype like anything with letters, but I still sadly hunt-and-poke when it comes to letters most of the time.

Also AIM has spoiled me in that if I can't see the words I'm typing (i.e. transcribing something) I freak out and go verrrry slowly. I need to blindfold myself and practice.)
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From: [personal profile] kate_nepveu


My first thought was a community college, but then I realized that I always look through my local one's catalogs and haven't seen anything like it.

But if you want to learn in person rather than online, something like that is probably good.

(I learned on a typewriter, with a piece of paper taped on so that I couldn't cheat and look at my fingers. This was actually quite useful, even if it's probably harder to do on a keyboard.)

From: [identity profile] ebenstone.livejournal.com


The same way you get to Carnegie Hall: practice, practice, practice.

From: [identity profile] habiliments.livejournal.com


It's not quite teaching/classes, but for fun/practice you can always play Typer Shark (http://www.popcap.com/games/free/typershark) online! I guess, though, that it doesn't really help with making sure your fingers are in the right place and whatnot. But I find that it does sharpen my accuracy. And it's sort of addictive.

From: [identity profile] veejane.livejournal.com


Theoretically, I learned typing as part of a series of video games for the Apple IIE my mother had when I was 10. However, all that really stuck was the home keys, and I developed what-finger-goes-where-without-looking much later, on my own. (Which means I probably have hand-posture as bad as yours.)

From: [identity profile] thecityofdis.livejournal.com


Yeah, everyone has already recommended Mavis Beacon, but it's definitely worth it.

From: [identity profile] vom-marlowe.livejournal.com


I type primarily with my right hand, except for a few letters, and it's a terrible habit. Self-taught. I've heard excellent things about Dvorak for cutting down on RSI strain. My brother the computer programmer knew lots of guys who used it, because they typed so much code and developed RSI. It's easy these days to switch any machine to that setting. If you're going to relearn to type, it might be worth looking into.

From: [identity profile] yhlee.livejournal.com


--when I was using Dvorak I did find it strained my hands less, although I don't actually have RSI. Also, the fact that all the vowels are on the home row means that you're typing actual words a lot sooner! But there is a learning curve and I remember that I gave it up because I had to switch between QWERTY at work and Dvorak/QWERTY (basically, Dvorak for everything but keyboard shortcuts--I don't know if Windows has an option like this, but Mac OS X does, this way I didn't have to lose my muscle memory for keyboard shortcuts) at home, and it grew too confusing.

From: [identity profile] jikme.livejournal.com


Dvorak is great. I switched to it because of my RSI about 11 years ago, and it's definitely easier on my wrists. The learning curve was indeed a hassle, and it would have been a real drag to switch between Dvorak and QWERTY during those first few weeks. But once I got the hang of Dvorak, I found it was not a problem to switch back to QWERTY when necessary.

I think for me the trick is that I'm not quite a touch typist. My fingers are in the right place for touch typing, but my eyeballs are always slightly on the keyboard. This means that I can switch easily from Dvorak to QWERTY, but only as long as the keys are labeled correctly.

While I was learning Dvorak, I stuck new labels on my keys. Since then, whenever I get a new computer or keyboard I pop the keys off and rearrange them. This is not an option if you routinely share your computer.

Good luck! (BTW, if you're wondering who I am, I'm a friend of [livejournal.com profile] willshetterly and [livejournal.com profile] coffeeem, and they recommended your fantastic memoir to me.)

From: [identity profile] willshetterly.livejournal.com


There's a very entertaining comic/zine about learning Dvorak that I read a few days ago. Boingboing might've suggested it. I think it's here (http://dvzine.org/zine/index.html), but right now, that link just takes you to "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded," which strongly suggests it was boingboinged. It includes a chart that you can use to teach yourself to touchtype Dvorak.

From: [identity profile] sam-t.livejournal.com


I use Dvorak, and I find it puts less strain on my wrists. I learnt to touch-type (using Mavis Beacon, I think - certainly some typing programme rather than a class) first on a Querty keyboard so that I could touch-type for my MSc final project. I switched to Dvorak later, and unfortunately lost the ability to touch-type Querty. There are Dvorak-labelled keyboards out there, but I still use a Querty-labelled one, which looks rather strange.

Advantages: May help RSI; impresses the hell out of people who see you typing with the 'wrong' keys; fairly easy to change between keyboard layouts.

Disadvantages: Steep learning curve; Windows (if that's what you're using) can sometimes be a bit unreliable about passing your keyboard preferences to different programmes, so you may find yourself suddenly typing gibberish (it's easy to change, so mostly a problem for hidden text such as passwords).

I'd also recommend an ergonomic keyboard, but I think it's probably easier if you learn at least the basics of touch-typing first.

From: [identity profile] klwilliams.livejournal.com


There at least used to be software that would teach touch typing.
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From: [personal profile] octopedingenue


I learned off actual typewriters in middle school, one of probably the last generation to do so. I'm still bad at typing numbers and using the correct opposite-hand shift key to Capitalize Things, but I got the home keys pretty much. Hmmm, things that helped me...

Typing games, but only if they're fun and/or you reward yourself for playing them; if they're deadly boring you'll never play/practice. Classes with an instructor/typewriter are nice in that there's someone to smack your hands if they catch you looking at your finger instead of the typing cards.

Speaking of: maybe pick up a set of typing practice cards, bound to be dead cheap in used bookstores these days or available at a library. They start you off transcribing pages of asdfjkl; and introduce one or two new letters at a time (e and c! YOU WERE MY BANE) until you get to The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog and such. They are deadly boring but maybe more useful for touch-typing than an onscreen typing game in that you can prop the book up somewhere awkward so that you cannot sneak peeks at your fingers/screen while you're reading what to type. (Blindfolding helps too.)

It's also a good idea to practice on several different types of keyboard, though you should get most comfortable with the one you use most often. I use a split ergonomic computer keyboard at home, which has been more comfortable for me after the forever it took to learn. But now on normal straight keyboards, my typing wobbles all over the place. I wonder how people using international or multilingual keyboards learn to type. (And where did the ¢ go from US keyboards? I miss the ¢!)

Gems of knowledge from typing class 10 years ago that may/not still be accurate: Stewardesses is the longest single word you can type with only your left hand, and lollipop/lollypop is the longest you can type with only your right.

From: [identity profile] slashpile.livejournal.com


Typing games, but only if they're fun
This is the thing. I took a class and practiced endlessly from a book, but ultimately learned from Typing Tutor software because it had a game where you had to type letters to keep the aliens from nuking your cities. I would do the lessons and practice sessions, but the reason I kept putting my butt in the chair was to kill the aliens.

I tried Mavis Beacon, but still prefer the most up-to-date Typing Tutor. It also lets you choose practice text from a sampling of books, and other stuff.

I *still* practice every time I feel myself getting sloppy, or if I'm daydreaming about switching jobs and having to go on an interview (I'm a secretary). But my favourite game now is Typer Shark (free, the delux version is paid, both available online), which makes me insanely competitive. Like, KILL THE SHARK, FIND THE SHIP, GET THE BARRACUDAS AND THE JELLYFISH AND FIND THE PEARLS IN THE BED OF SHELLS AAAARRRGGHH.

Um. Possibly this is more than you needed to know *g*

From: [identity profile] truepenny.livejournal.com


I learned to touch-type three consecutive summers in summer school when I was a kid. Once on a manual typewriter, once on an electric typewriter, once on a Mac. REALLY made me appreciate word processors.

One thing that touch-typing does allow, and which might really help with RSI, is the use of a seriously ergonomic keyboard. As for example, Kinesis (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/). I've been using their contoured keyboard for fourteen years (everything I've ever published professionally was written on a Kinesis keyboard), and it makes a tremendous difference for me. (I can use a standard keyboard for fifteen minutes max of steady typing before my wrists start to hurt; I still have to, you know, be sensible with the Kinesis, but it is a whole different world.) But the mere sight of the thing sends my friends who don't touch-type into fits and paroxysms.
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From: [personal profile] kate_nepveu


A less expensive variant on the theme: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=043 (I use it at work and like it quite a bit. The standard-issue Dell keyboards we have here, I can basically log in before my wrists start to scream. So _narrow_, such an unforgiving keypress!)

Also, you might inquire about a trackball instead of a mouse. This is great for me: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&cl=us,en . Granted, my problems are wrists and shoulders, but I suspect that it would do well for elbows too, since you avoid moving anything but your fingers.
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From: [identity profile] smillaraaq.livejournal.com


Seconding the trackball suggestion if you find your mousing-hand has more problems than the other side; that repetitive motion always hurt me even more than poor keyboards. I tried a variety of different trackballs before finally settling on various models of these: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/156&cl=us,en -- I used handed ones like the one in Kate's link for a couple of years, but eventually found that they relieved the wrist-forearm-elbow problems I had with conventional mice, but were starting to transfer the problems to the thumb. The Marble Mouse's design lets you shift the ball about with several fingers at once, and since it's not one-sided I can switch back and forth to right- or left-handed use if one arm is starting to get cranky from overuse.
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From: [personal profile] kate_nepveu


Yeah, I brought that one into work when I got the handed one. Works well too, I just found it a little more difficult to be precise without too much tension.

From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com


We use mavid beacon at school--and dots on the letters.

From: [identity profile] sarge-5150.livejournal.com


I taught myself to type through typing and eventually ended up using all my fingers and most of the "correct" movements. I made a conscious effort to change habits slowly (e.g., "now I'll use my little finger for 'p'"). Maybe that would work better than formal instruction, either in person or via software.

From: [identity profile] seshat.livejournal.com


I learned off of some old Typing Tutor program we had on an old Apple IIe when I was a kid. I think I vaguely remember seeing a diagram once that showed me which keys I"m supposed to be hitting with which fingers. I don't technically do it 100% correctly - I don't use my left thumb or either of my pinky fingers nearly enough, but I type quickly enough that I don't stress about it.

From: [identity profile] msss.livejournal.com


I used a typing program when we first got a computer. I suspect years of piano practice help too.
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