I will be attending Sirens again this year, and am thinking of panels to propose. This year's theme is monsters, and as the con is about women in fantasy, that would be female monsters.

Last year, there was only one panel with an explicit LGBTQ focus, and practically the entire con attempted to pile into it, forcing it to shut some out for lack of space and leaving the poor people doing the panels scheduled opposite to speak to nearly-empty rooms. It seems clear that there is enormous interest in the topic, and the con could easily support several more panels on the theme. If you're considering attending Sirens (by far my favorite con I've attended in the last five years or so), please consider proposing something along those lines. (The overall con theme is "women in fantasy," so monsters are not essential.)

However, the obvious panel would be LGBTQ monsters, particularly female and female-identified ones. I am thinking of proposing this, taking a wide view of "monster" - some monsters are literal, some more ambiguous, and sometimes the identity or orientation itself is condemned as monstrous.

Can you suggest fiction or even folklore featuring such "monsters?" So far I've thought of the lesbian vampires in The Gilda Diaries, Micah in Liar, and Mystique in The X-Men. I'm OK with spoilers in comments, so long as they're marked on the subject headers. (So beware spoilers in comments!)
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From: [personal profile] eisen


Would the titular characters of CLAYMORE qualify? The sexuality therein is kind of - convoluted, but it seems like it might have some usefulness in terms of subtext and such. And they're virtually a shoo-in for the con-wide topic, at least - being, as they are, an explicit exploration of the notion of monstrosity and female identity - so it would be a shame to see them go completely unacknowledged.

I don't know if Siren would want to discuss a manga or not; if Mystique is an option, though, I had to at least suggest another comic-related option.
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From: [personal profile] eisen


Yeah, that would be another reason why I wasn't sure they'd fit in very well. There really isn't anything definite to pin down.

But there's a lot of hints and subversion and reversal and suchlike, so I thought it would at least have potential.
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I recently heard that Mercedes Lackey had just put out a novel where the villain was a MTF transsexual (with transfail all over the place).
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the lesbian vampires in The Gilda Diaries

Not to mention the lesbian vampires in ... everything! Gilda Diaries is unusual for having such a positive spin on it, but there's a long long tradition (from Carmilla on through many Hammer horror movies) of lesbian vampires as a trope for titillation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_vampire
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READ CARMILLA YES

There's also good old Lucy Westenra, one of my favourite Bad Girls ever, altho she gets killed in this kind of metaphorical ritualized gangbang with stakes. //shudders
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From: [personal profile] lferion


I have no idea if any of these are actually what you mean, but:

Patricia McKillip
- In the Forests of Serre has a Baba Yaga character
- The Tower at Stoney Wood has a selkie as a principal character
- Song for the Basilisk has Luna, direct heir to her father's power
- Fool's Run has The Queen of Hearts|Terra Viridian

Bujold - Lady Ijada in The Hallowed Hunt is a shape-shifter/were

P.C.Hodgell's Jamethiel, though I'm not at all certain how to categorize her, has interesting 'monstrous' aspects

Diana Wynne Jones' Aunt Maria in 'Aunt Maria'

Shelob & her distant offspring the spiders in Mirkwood

Nearly any Faery Queen written seriously, including Diana Wynne Jones' Fire and Hemlock, McKillip's Book of Atrix Wolfe, Elizabeth Bear's Promethean Age, and so on

--the definition I think I am going with here is along the lines of 'powerful, frightening, and with knowledge, skills and desires/needs/agendas not in line to directly conflicting with what is considered 'normal/moral/regular' social expectation/behaviour/life' (and I hope that makes some kind of sense!)

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From: [personal profile] lferion


The Faerie Queens certainly tend to be ambiguous, but I was more running along the lines of interesting ways of thinking about 'monstrous', so this list & the one below may not be what you are looking for.

The folklore figures -- especially the crones: Baba Yaga, many of the 'witches' don't get a sexual aspect to their stories at all, so it's hard to say. That right there is a thing: the powerful women in myth/folklore who aren't fertility-related don't get to have sex lives. But that's not the question you asked here.

Sorry!
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From: [personal profile] lferion


Cannot edit to add: Folklore

Erishkegal & any Goddess of the underworld ever, including Hel
The Morrigan
Scylla and Charybdis
The Gorgon
The Eumenidies
(Actually, from a certain point of view, Any Goddess Ever, especially presupposing that 'monstrous' =/= evil or bad)

More fantasy &etc:
Achren in Lloyd Alexander's Prydain books
Mombi, the Patchwork Girl, and sundry others in the Oz books
Ariane Emory (both of them, but particularly II) in C.J.Cherryh's Cyteen books
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Shori in Octavia Butler's Fledgling might qualify, I think--she's a vampire, and...bisexual is probably the closest term. (I'm not sure how much the text wants us to see her as monstrous, but I had big ol' issues with that book.)

Emma Donoghue's Kissing the Witch goes through a lots of fairytales, reimagining them through a mostly-lesbian lens. I'd say a lot of the characters are women considered monstrous in the original, although I don't recall if any were literal monsters (witches, yes).

Sarah Monette's Three Letters From the Queen of Elfland, perhaps.
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From: [personal profile] oyceter


Second Emma Donoghue's Kissing the Witch, which often sets up romances between the princesses and the monsters/witches of the original fairy tales. Also, there are a lot of female monsters in Catherynne Valente's Orphan's Tales duology, and I'm pretty sure a fair amount of them are LGBTQ, though it's been a while since I've read them. Valente does a lot of interesting stuff with looking at what's considered monstrous and "abnormal" for bodies.

Manga-wise... Claymore I think is more homosocial than anything else, although I feel there should just be an entire panel on Claymore just for this theme!

Maybe there could be a look at the evil/dead lesbian stereotype and why it's there and how to counter it? Or how to do monsters and LGBTQ without ending up with evil trans characters and etc?
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Yeah, I feel the dead lesbian stereotype is mostly shoved in there as an excuse to make the surviving half of the couple turn evil/monstrous, booo.

Claymore! I feel there should be an entire panel on monstrous bodies in anime and manga! Or something on the annoying sexual monsters? Kitsune, the vagina dentata in Ninja Scroll vs. the female tentacle monster in Claymore?... um.... and now I remember why I don't read that much shounen.
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The extremely heavy and authorially-confirmed lesbian overtones of Ace's relationship with Karra the werecheetah in the Doctor Who story "Survival".

Also I haven't got round to reading the novel, but I understand the little girl vampire in the prose version of Let the Right One In is female-presenting but actually either androgynous or transsexual.
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Dude, the original pre-Dracula vampire Carmilla is a total lesbian! Even better, the whole novella is narrated by one of her escaped female victims who misses her. It's, uh, problematic, but weirdly cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmilla

There's also Christabel, Coleridge's poem, which has a witchy antiheroine and definite lesian undertones. I think there's a shitload of modern lesbian/gay vampire short story anthologies (some erotica written for/by women), but the only one I've read was Poppy Z. Brite's Love in Vein.

From: [identity profile] thecityofdis.livejournal.com


I can't think of any off the top of my head, but considering the long history of demonizing queer folks - literally! - in literature, I'm sure there's got to be plenty to mine from.

Sadly, my brain is currently experiencing the Friday BSoD.

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Well, if you think of anything later, you know where to find this post.
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From: [personal profile] rosefox


Braindump, possibly useful or possibly not:

Cat Valente's Orphan's Tales books feature a wide variety of female monsters; it's been a while since I read them, but knowing Cat, I'm pretty sure there's some queerness in there.

"The Cage" is an adorable lesbian werewolf story, but the lesbians themselves aren't werewolves.

The title character of "And Salome Danced" is a queer gender-shifting monster.

There's a lesbian Native American werewolfe in Allyson James's Firewalker.

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Another story with werewolves and at least lesbian subtext is Kelly Link's "Pretty Monsters."

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


All I can think of off the top of my head are the quaddies and Betan hermaphrodites from the Vorkosiverse (the quaddies we spend the most time with are female, particularly in Miles' time, and there's the Nicol/Bel relationship). This is of course SF and not fantasy, so possibly not suitable for your purposes.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


No, that's a good idea. SF counts! There's an interesting dynamic, if I recall correctly, in which Bel is considered "normal" to Betans, but quaddies are odd even there.

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


I don't think we see quaddies anywhere in Miles' time except in their own system and at Jackson's Whole, but yeah, they would probably be considered odd anywhere in the wormhole nexus - if I recall correctly most people haven't even heard of them (Miles hadn't). (On Beta I imagine everyone very obviously trying not to stare.)

Bel is definitely normal on Beta, although still "other" to some extent (people make generalizations about herms, etc.).

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The use of Herms as favored sex-educators/first time sexual experience (because pubescents find them less threatening) is interesting if you can find an angle.

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Do you recall where that was mentioned? I know it was said in one of the books that the herm sex therapists were popular with tourists, but the implication was rather different.

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Never mind, I remembered the reference eventually (A Civil Campaign, page 312 of the hardcover).

From: [identity profile] neery.livejournal.com


The heroine of Lost Girl is a bisexual succubus.

Taura from the Vorkosigan novels is one of my favorite SF "monsters", but sadly not bisexual, as far as I remember.

I'm not sure how wide a view of "monster" you want to take, but Daja from Tamora Pierce's Circle of Magic series was ostracized from her community because as the only survivor of a ship wreck she was considered cursed, and a bringer of massive bad luck. She's also a lesbian, but that only comes up in a later book.

I think the heroine in Laurell K Hamilton's books might be a bisexual vampire? But I've never read those books myself. And I think Tanya huff has a series of books about a gay vampire, too.

From: [identity profile] marfisa.livejournal.com


No, Hamilton's protagonist Anita Blake is a (re)animator/necromancer who can raise the dead, among other things. As far as I know, Anita remains at least nominally human throughout the series, despite uneasily feeling that she has more and more in common with the "monsters"--vampires, werewolves, and leopard-type shapeshifters, as I recall--she becomes romantically involved with as the series progresses. (I've only read the first five or six books.) The books I've read and glanced at seemed to feature her acquiring more and more male love interests, so if there's any bisexuality involved on Anita's part, it's probably pretty slight.

However, Rachel Morgan, the witch heroine of Kim Harrison's Hollows series ("Dead Witch Walking," etc.) has a vampire best friend/P.I. partner/roommate who's either lesbian or bisexual with a major obsession with the apparently heterosexual Rachel. (I'm only on the second book in this series.) The vampire best friend actually gives Rachel what is quasi-seriously referred to as a "dating handbook" explaining what to do, wear, etc., to avoid triggering the dangerously commingled sexual/bloodlust instincts of the vampire in your life.
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Ivy is bi, or at least presented as such -- I can't recall for sure if she ever explicitly states her self-identification in the books, but we do meet a couple of her previous lovers, male and female, as the book goes on. (Although FWIW, I got the definite impression that Harrison's vamps in general tend towards the bi/omnisexual at least in part because the bloodlust and pheromones sort of overwhelm other levels of attraction. Ivy sort of pinged to me as being around a Kinsey 4 or 5, her relationships with women like Rachel or Skimmer seemed to be much more intense and emotionally fraught than the friends-with-benefits vibe I got from her history with Kisten.)
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From: [personal profile] chomiji

Spoilers for Dancers of Arun (and possibly but less so for Dune)


Would Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (Dune) and his taste for good-looking teeanged boys (preferably only semiconscious) count?

How about the "witches" in Elizabeth Lynn's Arun series? In The Dancers of Arun, there was one ethnic group (the Asech) who regarded those with mind-powers as weird (and possibly evil, but I'm not remembering the details well enough). Kel's lover Sefer (m/m) was killed as a result of this situation (althought IIRC, it was much more complicated than his being killed because he was a witch).


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What springs to mind is (bizarrely) only HIM from the Powerpuff Girls (http://powerpuff.wikia.com/wiki/HIM). Flaming like whoa, but neither a woman nor really appearing to have sexuality as such. Still, could be interesting to talk about in context. I'll keep thinking.

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In a broad sense, I'd consider the Jaime Gumb/Buffalo Bill character from Silence of the Lambs, with his sexuality/gender issues (and serial killing) to have been portrayed as a monster. (For the killing, not the gender issues, of course.)

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Tanith Lee must have published something relevant here, but unfortunately I'm not sure exactly what. It's been too long since I last read Red as Blood to recall if any of the stories would be useful, though they well might be. There are certainly stories involving female monsters, both there and in other collections (e.g., "The Gorgon," which I can state is not LGBTQ).

From: [identity profile] vom-marlowe.livejournal.com


Yes, unfortunately, her retelling of Snow White has the wicked queen kill Snow White after sex (another bisexual = killer, sigh).

From: [identity profile] tool-of-satan.livejournal.com


Huh. I don't recall that story. In the Snow White retelling I recall ("Red as Blood") the queen is good and Snow White (Bianca) is alive at the end.

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Maybe it was Sleeping Beauty?

What I remember is this white, white house. And the woman (the killer), gets this young beauty from...somewhere? I thought it was some kind circus-like place, but you know how vivid but vague Lee stories get. Anyway, she dresses her up in this closet, and is obsessed, but eventually kills her and buries her in the backyard. There's flowers at some point, and the killer is married, and I think (but I could be misremembering) that the young woman is her husband's mistress and/or she's an artist. Ringing any bells?

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I remember that story! It's in one of the Windling/Datlow retold fairytale volumes. It's not "Red as Blood."

The girl is a circus performer who reminds the wife of her husband's ex-wife's imaginary daughter. (Yes, really. It makes more sense in context.)

You know... I love Tanith Lee's over-the-top lushness, but she can have some seriously sketchy subtexts. (In this case, not even -sub.)

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YES. I used to eat those Datlow/Windling volumes like candy.

I knew there was more going on with that relationship, I just couldn't put my finger on it. It was, weirdly, a gorgeous story! And I loved it! But.....

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


In Sirens, she has a story called "Wolfed," equally gorgeous, in which an old woman, a young woman, and a man who likes to cross-dress live happily ever after. ;)
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For any of you who like queer eroticized fairy-tale retellings, I cannot say enough good things about Patrick Califia's short story "Blood and Silver", which has Little Red Riding Hood as a werewolf lesbian dominatrix. That probably sounds almost jokey from such a nutshell description, but so long as you aren't put off by the BDSM content it's really quite moving and romantic; totally Better Than It Sounds. (It can be found in two of his anthologies, No Mercy and Blood and Silver; Califia's also written several short pieces, most of them interlinked, about gay/lesbian/bi vampires, and one full-length novel, Mortal Companion, involving two of the recurring vampire characters.)
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Definitely not "Red as Blood" - as tool_of_satan says, the good/evil axis is swapped in that, and Bianca gets a chance to more or less start over.

The Sleeping Beauty one isn't like that either. I don't recognize your summary, I'm afraid. Her version of Rapunzel, "The Golden Rope," starts out a little like that, but that's not how it ends. (This writeup has extensive summaries of each of the stories in the collection Red as Blood. Spoilers galore ... .)


From: [identity profile] vom-marlowe.livejournal.com


Pretty much all bisexual women in major motion pictures are monsters. Sharon Stone had cornered the market in bisexual women = crazed killers for a while, but it's an old trope. Faster Pussycat Kill Kill is another classic example.
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However, the obvious panel would be LGBTQ monsters, particularly female and female-identified ones. I am thinking of proposing this, taking a wide view of "monster" - some monsters are literal, some more ambiguous, and sometimes the identity or orientation itself is condemned as monstrous.

Hm. Off the top of my head—

All three sets of protagonists in Tanith Lee's The Book of the Damned: the gender-shifting vampires in "Stained in Crimson"; the murderous protagonist who assumes both male and female identities in "Malice in Saffron"; the double-gendered haunting in "Empires of Azure." The female is foregrounded in all three novellas.

The Stephens Ward Tea League and Society of Resurrectionists from Caitlín R. Kiernan's In the Garden of Poisonous Flowers (2002, reprinted in Alabaster in 2006 as "Les Fleurs Empoisonnées"). Biancabella and Candida reappear in the vignette "Still Life" in Tales from the Woeful Platypus (2007), reprinted last month in Sirenia Digest #61. In fact, if you want queer female monsters, you could do a lot worse than go through the Sirenia archives. There are a number of them—I'd single out "The Cryomancer's Daughter (Murder Ballad No. 3)," "A Child's Guide to the Hollow Hills," "Derma Sutra (1891)," "The Thousand-and-Third Tale of Scheherezade," "The Belated Burial," and "The Prayer of Ninety Cats" as particularly strong examples; on the science fiction side, "Faces in Revolving Souls" (A Is for Alien, 2009). It is also possible that Constance Hopkins from The Red Tree (2009) qualifies.
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From: [personal profile] skygiants

Spoilers in comments!


Monstrousness levels may vary, but Alaya Dawn Johnson's second Spirit Binders book features a queer equilateral-triangle relationship between a man and two women. One of the women is a magic-userwho eventually becomes entangled with Death in some kind of bargain (that . . . I'm still not entirely clear on, but involves immortality and chopping off her arm) and become the dangerous witch-antagonist of the series who is considered pretty monstrous by the majority of the population.

I don't know Libba Bray's Victorian schoolgirls trilogy - I read the first book, but it was a long time ago - but from what I understand there's a lesbian relationship, and one of the girls involved dies and becomes a 'corrupted spirit' (thus says Wikipedia.)

If I remember correctly, Pamela Dean's Tam Lin features at the very least rumors of vague lesbianity around all of the fairy-court-affiliated professors, and Janet occasionally gets warned about this by people attempting to be helpful.

And if anime counts, of course there's Anthy Himemiya, prominent anime lesbian and shapechanging witch.
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From: [identity profile] smillaraaq.livejournal.com


Are you only looking for modern genre-fic examples? If not, Le Fanu's "Carmilla" is pretty much the great-grandmother of English-language lesbian vampire stories; you could make a pretty good case for Geraldine in Coleridge's Christabel being a precursor of this type, too. (Heck, you could probably dedicate an entire panel to lesbian vampires alone, there's such a wealth of examples ranging from Victorian literature to modern queer erotica...)

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


I think you're on to something. There's probably room for one panel on LGBTQ monsters, and one just on lesbian vampires.
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[livejournal.com profile] marfisa has already mentioned Ivy Tamwood, from the popular ongoing "Hollows" UF series by Kim Harrison; Charlaine Harris's Sookie Stackhouse/Southern Vampire series, which the HBO series "True Blood" is based on, also have some lesbian or bi vamp characters -- I haven't seen the TV version, so I'm going purely by book canon here. The most prominent one is probably Pam, second-in-command of the local vampire hierarchy and one of the human protagonist's best friends amongst the supernatural set; she's presented as bi, but with an explicitly-stated preference for women, and at one point is dating Sookie's witch housemate. In later books we meet the Vampire Queen of Louisiana, Sophie-Anne Leclerq, who also seems to be lesbian or bi -- she's involved in negotiations for a loveless political marriage with a vampire king, but is devoted to a female lover.

(There are quite a few gay and bi male supernatural characters as well, vampires and others, and the one vampire wedding we see is between two kings who IIRC actually seemed to be marrying for love as well as for political reasons; much as in the "Hollows" books, there's a definite vibe that many of the vampires, whatever their original orientation in life may have been, may end up at least a little bit bi.)

From: [identity profile] veejane.livejournal.com


"Carmila" is the one I was running over to mention.

Also, there are a couple of instances of gender-crossing villains in Germanic myth: Grendel's mother, for one, and the shenanigans in the middle of Grettir's Saga for another. The latter explicitly uses male homosexuality as an insult, although of course this being a saga it's all about the zombified corpse being insulted for all eternity. (And being unable to find its head.)

(Blah blah strictness of gender roles, blah blah cross-dressing is equivalent to homosexuality, blah blah not our modern social conceptcakes. I would also say blah blah zombies, but that goes without saying.)

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Spoilers for Suddenly, Last Summer


I was going to mention Wraeththu, but then I reread your entry. Although they are hermaphoditic, most of the Wraeththu start out as human males, so I don't think it quite fits.

There's also the real-life story that Monster (2003) was based on (also see the title of the movie).

This story is also not quite what you're looking for, but I think I'll relate it anyway. In the movie/play "Suddenly, Last Summer", the main character is being institutionalized for witnessing something her aunt wants to kept secret. It is revealed at the climax that while on vacation, her cousin was murdered and eaten by some young men that he had paid for sexual favors. You know from the beginning that the cousin is dead, so I kept wondering what horrible thing he had done that his mother was trying to hide. I thought he was a serial killer or a monster or something horrible. I was confused and let down when the big secret turned out to be that he was homosexual. Frankly, I think she would have been less ashamed and horrified if he had been a murderer.

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Re: Spoilers for Suddenly, Last Summer


That's true. I had forgotten that. Although you see him interacting with young men and boys from 10-21ish?, it was only boys who enacted their revenge.

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Re: Spoilers for Suddenly, Last Summer


Yeah, it's hard to tell through all the euphemism, but I'm pretty sure at the least the boys are on the young side in the play.

From: [identity profile] clodia-risa.livejournal.com

Re: Spoilers for Suddenly, Last Summer


Oh, the euphemism. It took a couple of viewings and some research to figure out what actually happened that lead to his horrible murder. I know it's a sign of the times and all, but it doesn't update well to a day and age where homosexuality is more accepted, even if pedophilia isn't (not that I'm complaining about the latter, mind you).

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Re: Spoilers for Suddenly, Last Summer


It's clearer in the play, I'm sort of glad I read it before I saw the movie, but yeah, talk about an artifact of its time.

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Grendel's Mother is my favorite female monster in literature, though I think the way she became a sex object in the recent movie is appalling.

From: [identity profile] sorenlundi.livejournal.com


There are definitely enough lesbian vampires to warrant a panel all of their own. My personal favourites are the film Daughters of Darkness (featuring Delphine Seyrig as the Countess Bathory), the novel I, Vampire (in which a 500 bisexual vampire woman falls in love with a shapeshifting alien currently in the shape of Virginia Woolf) and, while we're talking about Tanith Lee, there's a pretty fabulous transwoman lesbian sorta-vampire in her Blood Opera trilogy (Dark Dance, Personal Darkness and Darkness, I), though she doesn't show up until book two.

From: [identity profile] sorenlundi.livejournal.com


I'm sure there are at least that many, though not in that particular novel.

I've always considered being bisexual to be one of the vampire rules, like not being about to go out in sunlight.

From: [identity profile] ide-cyan.livejournal.com


This year's theme is monsters, and as the con is about women in fantasy, that would be female monsters.

Or what women find monstrous, as opposed to men?

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


That's an interesting thought. (I assume "female monsters" based on the previous two years of "female warriors" and "female fairies.")

From: [identity profile] marfisa.livejournal.com


in Carrie Vaughn's "Kitty and the Midnight Hour," the first book in her ongoing series about a late-night talk show host who's also a werewolf, the heroine's best friend is T.J., a gay male werewolf who's practically the only member of the pack who treats her decently. (This may have something to do with the fact that T.J. experiences a certain amount of static himself from the other pack members over his sexual orientation, despite having worked his way up to being second in command by defeating most of the others in physical combat.) (SPOILERS) Somewhat predictably, he winds up dying at the end of the book in an attempt to save Kitty.

Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear's "In the Company of Wolves" reportedly involves a lot of m/m sexual activity among the (possibly somewhat werewolf-ied) young men who bond telepathically with a pack of human-friendly giant wolves who help defend the community against marauding trolls, but I haven't actually read it yet.

I believe there's a gay male werewolf among the supporting characters in at least the first book ("Moon Called," I think) in Patricia Briggs' series about Mercy Thompson, crime-solving auto mechanic/were-coyote, but he plays a pretty minor role, as I recall. Native American bounty hunter Jane Yellowrock in Faith Hunter's "Skinwalker" and "Blood Cross" is also an animal shapeshifter whose main alternate form is more or less lupine (I think), but I don't recall anything about queer sexuality on her part in the first book. (I haven't read the second one yet.)

From: [identity profile] ejmam.livejournal.com


Warren's (the gay werewolf) role gets bigger in later books, as does his human boyfriend's role. There's some discussion about why it's hard to be gay and a werewolf. There are very few female werewolves; I think it would be even harder to be lesbian. Vampires are (of course) much looser about their sexual definitions.

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