I pulled this comment of mine from a locked entry on my f-list on "hopepunk," which linked to some articles on it. After reading the articles, I wrote:

Apart from the impossible-to-pronounce name, hopepunk is a weird movement because it seems so utterly undefined as anything but "not grimdark," which is also a useless term as nobody agrees on what that even is either. One of the articles says The Handmaid's Tale (novel) is hopepunk because Offred is resisting inside her mind, but lots of others would say the book defines grimdark.

You can't have a movement without a set of media that everyone agrees exemplify it, but there doesn't seem to be a single example of something everyone can point at and say "it's hopepunk." If you take steampunk, there's tons of things that everyone can point at and say, "Those are steampunk." I think "punk" should be limited to things with a clear aesthetic that includes visuals - which was also the case for originalpunk.

The most interesting possible definition of hopepunk, IMO, would be this:

- Stories involve communities rather than lone individuals.

- Great change requires communal effort.

- Communities are not inherently bad, though some may be.

- People are not inherently selfish and cruel, though some may be.

- Compassion, kindness, and idealism is more likely to lead to good rather than bad consequences.

- Protecting only yourself or only your own loved ones at the expense of the Other or strangers is wrong.

- Meeting strangers is more likely to lead to interesting conversations, trade, or relationships than fights to the death.

- Even if the society contains prejudice, from the point of view of the story, all people are equal. Even if a story takes place in a racist and sexist society, the story itself will not marginalize those characters.

- Non-racist, non-sexist, non-homophobic (etc) societies are common in these stories.

- The visual aesthetic is pretty/beautiful/intricate/fun, with multiple cultures represented. There is an effort to make even ordinary items fun to use and pleasant to look at. Clothing is colorful and individual. The aesthetic is that things are both for use and for pleasure, showing that life is not only for survival.

Black Panther would be a good example of this, I think. Everything ever written by Diane Duane and Sherwood Smith.
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Yes. I was a part of the LA punk scene in the late seventies, early eighties, and that was a different world from what I saw of the myth punk of the late eighties, early nineties, specifically middle class and well to do writers wearing their thousand dollar leather jackets and posing for LOCUS against tagged walls in neighborhoods I strongly suspect they didn't live in. The punks I went to the clubs with to see X, Black Flag, and the MauMaus didn't have thousand dollar clothes.
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Yeah, exactly, and the people who were wearing what came to be seen as classic punk styles were painting and sticking studs in their own jackets, not buying ready made merch.

For me, a lot of that DIYness moved from squats in cities to the crusty punks in the UK and the feral hippies in Australia who tried living off the grid and using solar panels before they were easily available and cheap, which might be why I have no trouble tacking punk onto solar.

This photo collection has been doing the rounds on fb,and it was so great to see pictures of how people actually dressed in the 80s (I wish they had put the photos in something resembling chronological order, tho, I found some of the juxtapositions jarring.) “Untypical Girls”: Early Photographs Of Women In Punk From Between The Late 1970s And Early 1990s

The only other thing that hit me so hard in the nostalgia feels was Vi är bäst! (We are the Best!), a film about 13 yo girls in Stockholm who form a punk band.
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Oh, terrific photos! How that takes me back! Yes, the punk girls made their own clothes, did their own look. So did the punk boys.

That film looks wonderful.
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