Swordspoint

Presenting Problem: Alec is a white male in his late teens or early twenties, of above-average height and below-average weight. His clothing was shabby, but his hygiene was good. Partially healed, shallow cuts were visible on his wrists when his sleeves fell back. He appeared tense and guarded. His affect was markedly labile, swinging from contempt to brittle wit to open anger to sadness. His reason for coming in was stated to be “idle curiosity.” Upon further questioning, he stated that he had recently been the victim of a kidnapping.

Client reported that the cuts on his wrists were from a suicidal gesture. He went on to recount a history of self-injury and self-destructive acts, sometimes with the intent of suicide, and sometimes as impulsive acts in the heat of emotion. When he feels emotional tension build up unbearably, he either commits a self-destructive act, or provokes someone to attack or insult him so that his lover (a swordsman) will kill the person. Client then feels relief.

Client states that he “can’t do anything right” and that he expects to die violently and young. (Client is not a swordsman himself, so this belief, which predates his kidnapping, is not realistic.) He has attacked his lover, with the knowledge that his lover is a professional killer.

Client periodically (not regularly) uses drugs, and regularly gambles. He denies addiction to either.

He denied suicidal ideation when the question was asked, but said that it could come on at any moment. Client stated that his lover is aware that he is suicidal, and is keeping an eye on him. Client stated that he might also have the impulse to have his lover kill someone at any moment.

Personal History: Client currently lives in Riverside, supported by his lover. He used to attend the University. He became upset when asked how he came to leave it, and refused to state. He also declined to give his surname.

Family Background: Client declined to say anything about his family. From his speech and manner, however, he appears to be upper class and well-educated.

Psychiatric/Treatment History: Client stated that he has had no previous diagnoses or treatment.

Differential Diagnosis: Client states that he has had both depressive and mixed (manic and depressive) episodes. He agrees that he might be having a mixed episode now. He denies recent substance abuse or somatic symptoms, and says that he has never had hallucinations or delusions.

Though client’s relationship with his lover appears to be stable and not marked by idealization and devaluation, he matches other criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder: impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (drugs, gambling, deliberately provoking violence in others); recurrent suicidal and self-mutilating behavior; affective instability (intense, brief periods of anger, anxiety, or dysphoria); transient, stress-related paranoid ideation; inappropriate, intense anger.

The extreme tension followed by provocation of violence followed by relief and pleasure is similar to the pattern of impulse-control disorders like Intermittent Explosive Disorder and Trichotillomania. Since client typically does not personally commit the violent acts, but achieves relief by witnessing another do so, this is better accounted for as an Impulse Disorder Not Otherwise Stated than by IED.

Rule out Antisocial Personality Disorder. Client is impulsive, exhibits reckless disregard for the safety of self and others, lacks remorse, and is irritable and aggressive. However, there is no evidence of a previous Conduct Disorder, and the antisocial behavior may have been during the course of Mixed Episodes.

Substance use and gambling don't appear to meet criteria for abuse, but client may be minimizing his use.

Rule out PTSD. Client's PTSD-like symptoms predate his kidnapping.

Recommendations:

5150 (involuntary psychiatric hold) for being a danger to himself and others.


An immediate medication consultation.

Individual therapy services to address his Bipolar I Disorder, Impulse Control Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, and recent trauma.

Referral to local Narcotics Anonymous Group to address his history of substance use.

Axis I (clinical disorders): Bipolar I, Most Recent Episode Mixed, Recurrent, Without Full Interepisode Recovery, Without Dysthymia, With Rapid Cycling. Currently in a Mild Mixed Episode. Impulse Disorder Not Otherwise Stated (compulsion to provoke others to commit violent acts.)

Axis II (personality disorders and mental retardation): ): Borderline Personality Disorder.

Axis III (general medical conditions): ): None.

Axis IV (psychosocial and environmental problems): ): Domestic violence. Victim of kidnapping. Unsafe neighborhood.

Axis V (GAF: Global Assessment of Functioning): ): 20. Some danger of hurting self or others. (Suicide attempts without clear expectation of death; frequently violent or provoking violence in others.)

Rachel’s note: This was a tough one. I went ahead and diagnosed Bipolar I, but it’s hard to tell from textual evidence whether that’s actually going on, or whether Borderline could account for everything all by itself. I also diagnosed an Impulse Control Disorder, though technically you’re not supposed to if it might be caused by some other condition (like mania), because it was such a significant pattern that I thought it was worth getting its own diagnosis.

I reasoned according to a safety hierarchy, which states that you should err in favor of diagnosing conditions which are dangerous (very bad consequences if you don’t treat them), comparatively easy to treat (potentially very good outcome if you do), and not severely stigmatizing (the diagnosis itself won’t cause severe problems). Bipolar I qualifies on all counts, so I went with it even though I wasn’t positive about it.
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"Recommendations: 5150 (involuntary psychiatric hold) for being a danger to himself and others. "

Oh, if only.
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Referral to local Narcotics Anonymous Group to address his history of substance use.

Ahahahahaha. Yeah, I can't quite see Alec going for NA.
Edited (Tags. I can close them.) Date: 2011-10-22 06:48 pm (UTC)
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...I really want to read this story now.
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From: [personal profile] marycontrary


Hmm, where's this from? I might want to read it.

Also, on the issue of "better to admit in error than release in error":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

Once you're in the system, it is exceedingly difficult to get back out, despite actual sanity. Obviously, the sane response to this is to agree you're not well, cooperate with treatment and smile until you're in control of your life again, but that's still a very great step down from being released as sane without a medical record saying otherwise. Given that this guy is apparently both suicidal and relieves tension by seeing others die, I'd certainly rather have him examined than not.
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From: [personal profile] sartorias


Bipolar I was my guess, just because of all I learned last year.
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I would have enjoyed this book so much more if someone had put a successful involuntary psychiatric hold on Alec! (I am very much not fond of his impulse disorder NOS) Possibly I would have even finished it rather than bailing two chapters before the end - if a therapist does show up, please feel free to spoil me.
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Ah, win.

Yes, he's definitely a danger to himself and others.

From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_profiterole_/


I don't know anything about psychology, but since I've read Swordspoint, I thought I'd read your analysis of Alec and it was very interesting.
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From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com


Hilarious, in a really sad kind of way. Alec is such a mess. I can't imagine he'd do well with involuntary hospitalization... actually, thinking about involuntary hospitalization, I feel sorry for the poor doctors, staff and patients who'd have to share a ward with him. Thanks for this!

On a different subject, can I ask why personality disorders and mental retardation are on the same axis?

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


On a different subject, can I ask why personality disorders and mental retardation are on the same axis?

It makes no sense, honestly, but the theory is that they're more lifelong and less easily subject to change than the Axis I disorders. Which makes no sense as Axis I disorders include lifelong neurological conditions like autism and dyslexia. (Why those are even in the DSM is something that also doesn't make a ton of sense.)

The other explanation is that both are more subtle and it ensures that they won't get overlooked - which also makes no sense. You can put ten Axis I disorders on Axis I and not worry that one will be forgotten.

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Bipolar I qualifies on all counts, so I went with it even though I wasn’t positive about it.

Just so you know, you're awesome.
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com


You do realize that if you try for the 5150, Alec will BOLT, right?

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


I see everyone involved being very, very sorry that Alec ever walked in the door in the first place.

From: [identity profile] patty1943.livejournal.com


"Rule out PTSD. Client's PTSD-like symptoms predate his kidnapping."

So maybe he has had previous traumatic events that you don't know about. Ruling it out seems oddly avoidant.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


Perhaps it will get diagnosed on the follow-up, when he's more forthcoming. "Rule out" is just why I didn't diagnose it now, not literally "it cannot be the case."

From: [identity profile] patty1943.livejournal.com


I am glad to hear that. I believe that the DSM-IV description of Traumatic Stressors is an avoidant numbing ritual, a series of latinate words punctuated by or's, designed to help people avoid thinking about what trauma really is.
I lived through DSM-II, the latest of the APA's denial and delusion about traumatic events eras (1968-1980), with a husband who came back from Vietnam with PTSD, so I probably sound crabby sometimes. If I did, I apologize.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


No problem! I'm working with the DSM-IV definitions because I need to know it professionally. But it has a lot of problems.

I don't know if you've seen these: http://rachelmanija.livejournal.com/541123.html

From: [identity profile] patty1943.livejournal.com


I had not seen that. Just ordered your book. Would like to send you mine, but need an address.
So you do understand! Yeay. We need more professionals who do.

From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com


I find myself curious how many fantasy protagonists would get an immediate recommendation for involuntary psychiatric hold.

I suspect it's rather a lot.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


No doubt!

Though I'm taking the social mores of the setting into account, ie, "Would others in this society think that this person has a problem?" In the case of Alec, they do.

ETA: I am surprised no one has suggested that I diagnose Thomas Covenant. (Someone else can do it; I only got as far as the rape in book one.)
Edited Date: 2011-10-22 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com


That would be why I didn't suggest him - I only ever got that far either.

From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com


There's probably a specific subset of "delusional" that covers "you think stuff around you isn't real, but it is." I don't know if you have a diagnosis for "asshole in a derivative epic fantasy," though.

(I read all of Lord Foul's Bane, but as I said during the panel at Sirens, that was only so I would have more data to cite when I criticized it.)

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


There's probably a specific subset of "delusional" that covers "you think stuff around you isn't real, but it is."

Hmm. You can be dissociative and feel as if nothing is real, but you usually know that's not really the case.

There is a type of delusion in which you think you're living in some sort of constructed reality: "I'm in an experiment/TV show/etc."
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Interesting! I never made much headway with Swordspoint, adored Privilege of the Sword, so that was the Alec I was expecting to see here...an odd enough fellow at that point, but apparently doing comparatively better than I had realized!

ETA: Would it be too late or otherwise unfeasible to request Peter from Ender's Game?
Edited Date: 2011-10-22 08:17 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


Took a quick look at Conduct Disorder. Interesting, he doesn't qualify. Apparently "sadistic and creepy, but law-abiding" isn't an official mental illness.

Whoa. He matches all nine criteria for Narcissistic PD. (Okay, given that he ends up as Grand Ruler of the Galaxy, maybe his opinion of himself isn't unrealistically inflated. He still qualifies on the rest.)
Edited Date: 2011-10-23 01:22 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] janni.livejournal.com


You inspired me to pull out my copy of Feeling Good and to use the depression inventory within to evaluate (in a layperson sort of way) Liza and Tara for depression. Somewhat to my surprise, Liza is more deeply depressed than her mother is.
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AWESOMESAUCE. What's your take on creepy culture rapist boyfriend from The Fall of the Kings? I've only read it once (&won't again) but remember thinking it's not a good sign that ALEC seems compassionate and self-aware in comparison.

From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com


I don't recall well enough for a diagnosis other than "total bastard." Might be narcissistic PD. I always check for that with rapists.
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