Here is a famous story about Wu Zetian, the only female emperor of China. I'm going to tell it in the style in which I first heard it.

There was a beautiful but ferocious stallion that no one could tame. Wu Zetian said, "I can tame that stallion."

They asked her how she would tame the stallion, when the strongest men had tried and failed.

Wu Zetian said, "All I need is a whip, a hammer, and an axe. First, I'd use the whip to show it I mean business. If the whip fails, I'd use the hammer to really drive my point home. And if the hammer fails, I'd use the axe to CUT OFF HIS HEAD!"

So I was initially quite excited when I heard that a YA book was coming out starring Wu Zetian as a teenage mecha pilot.

But when the book actually launched, the impression I got via fandom osmosis was that it was a joyless slog through oppression, murder, torture, foot-binding, and more oppression, interspersed with lectures on feminism. I pictured late seasons of The Handmaid's Tale, written in Tumblr-speak with a little mecha as an afterthought, and wrote the book off as yet another story that has a great premise and then avoids it.

Then I idly clicked on the "Look Inside" to see just how awesomely depressing it was. Chapter one was called "A Butterfly That Better Not Be My Dead Sister" - a title bearing more resemblance to Percy Jackson than the "I survived eye cancer and foot-binding only to be run over by a cement truck and then get tongue cancer" tone I was expecting.

The next thing I knew, I had hit the end of the sample and had to keep reading. So I bought the book, and tore through it in a single evening.

I'm now going to copy some comments from my previous post, because they illuminate the somewhat hilariously opposing results of what you expect going in vs. what you notice while reading:

Rachel: The description makes it sound so grim and depressing! And it does have those elements, but for me the reading experience was more like YES LAUGH MANIACALLY SOME MORE YOU BEAUTIFUL BLOODTHIRSTY MANIAC and BRING ON THE DRUNKEN BOXING and HAHA I KNOW WHO'S BEEN WATCHING EVANGELION and POWER UP and BRING ON THE QI TREATMENTS FOR THE FORCED ADDICTION and OH NO HIS KIDNEY.

Shadaras: I have read Iron Widow! Which was quite an experience, because I went into it for the tropes and then went "huh this has a lot more disability theory and patriarchal shittiness than I was expecting", which seems to have been the opposite of your experience. :)

Rivkat: FWIW I saw it promoted as tropey and was a little surprised about the grim overt patriarchy.

So this is a very polarizing book, partly but not only because of the "is it a vase or is it two faces optical illusion" phenemonon, or in this case "is about horrific violent sexism and rage against the patriarchy or is it about mecha and wuxia tropiness." (Both. It's both.)

It's also a very unique book. I've never read a female character quite like Zhao's Wu Zetian. I've never read a YA book quite like this one. A lot of its tropes aren't Western novel tropes at all, but are from wuxia and anime. The entire frame of reference feels very itself, from the moon "reincarnating" rather than being "new" to the CELEBRITY MECHA WEDDING. It has a ton of sources, but it feels sui generis.

Iron Widow is a vibrant, gleeful, furious, cracktastic mash-up of Chinese history, Chinese legends, mecha anime, classic SF tropes, The Hunger Games, feminist and disability theory, fanfic tropes, and Hamilton-esque anachronism. It's batshit and weird and compelling, and I loved it.

It's not without flaws, but some of the critiques of it I think are interrogating the text from the wrong perspective. ;) I don't think Wu Zetian is meant to be a role model for feminism or anything else, and I don't think she's supposed to be a naturalistic character at all.

Zhao's Wu Zetian is a larger-than-life force of nature, a wild AU of a historical character whose key anecdote involves "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!" She's more akin to Son Goku or Lian Nichang from The Bride With White Hair than to Katniss Everdeen. She places her lotus foot on the corpse of her enemy and laughs maniacally. She gets in a giant Gundam and stomps on the homes of her enemies. She is rage personified, without apology or regret, and she is a delight.

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From: [personal profile] recessional


I mean that seems the only way to be true to Wu Zetian.
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From: [personal profile] sabotabby


Huh. I put a hold on it (I'm pretty sure) and no two reviews I've read of it seem like they're of the same book at all. Which makes me even more intrigued.
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From: [personal profile] lirazel


This book has been so polarizing that I'm going to have to read it eventually just because I'm curious as to what side of the divide I'll fall on!
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From: [personal profile] profiterole_reads


Yes, it is all of these things at once and the author makes it work beautifully.
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From: [personal profile] asakiyume


The review you give is exactly the impression I had of it! [ETA: to clarify--the impression I had/have of it without reading it! I haven't read it. I don't think I'll probably read it, but I can see both why it appeals and why people don't like it.]

It's not without flaws, but some of the critiques of it I think are interrogating the text from the wrong perspective. ;) --lol. I love the tongue-in-cheek Tumblr critiquey-ness of this line.

Edited Date: 2022-03-31 07:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadaras


I also wonder a little how the perception of this book is altered knowing that it's the first in a series.

I read Iron Widow expecting a stand-alone, because absolutely nothing about the marketing mentioned even the possibility of a sequel. By the time I reached the end, it was clear that it was written to have one! But I think my expectations about the pacing were for a stand-alone, and that meant it suffered a little because some things that I wanted to see resolutions to sooner simply didn't get resolved. With as sequel, that makes sense!

(This is a much more subtle thing than the "did you hear about it as a grimdark ya or a tropey ya" element you mentioned, but it still interests me.)

All told, I did have fun reading this book and I'll read the sequel when it comes out, because a bunch of worldbuilding elements that I'm curious about only showed up in the last bit of Iron Widow and I want to see how they're explored further.
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From: [personal profile] swan_tower


I did not know about the sequel, and I'm glad to be aware of it before I read the book -- because yeah, I've had the experience of misreading a book on account of thinking either that it was a standalone and it wasn't, or of thinking it was the start of a series and it wasn't. It definitely affects my sense of a book's pacing!
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From: [personal profile] copperfyre


I also thought it was a standalone and then was absolutely floored by the bonkers pacing in the last 10%! I think if I’d know it was the first in a series I would have been less irritated by getting to the end and having several entirely new cans of worms opened up, when I was looking for resolutions. But it does make sense as a story with a sequel! I do still think there were an overly large number of twists in the last twenty pages, but I enjoyed the rest of the book immensely and will definitely read the sequel.
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From: [personal profile] genarti


Same! I still take issue with the bonkers pacing of the last 10%, to be honest -- not the twist, which I too guessed pretty early on, but the pacing of everything surrounding it. But yeah, I read the end going "how is Zhao going to wrap all of this up in time???" until it became clear that this had to be a sequel set-up, because I hadn't seen anything suggesting it wasn't a standalone. And I am curious how she'll deal with, as Rachel says, an actual moral dilemma (rather than a logistical dilemma where she was very sure of the righteousness of her rage).
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From: [personal profile] larryhammer


You got it about right, except your list of mash-up elements is missing a major component, namely Chinese web-novels (both science fiction and historical fantasy). In fact, I'm pretty sure all the Chinese legend stuff was sourced via web-novels.

Very much a two faces/vase thing. I loved it.
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From: [personal profile] mme_hardy


Oh! Sorry, I can't link you to the tweet, but Zhao said in a tweet that there is one Chinese character that is used only in that Empress's name and nowhere else. Shows you how awesome she was.
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From: [personal profile] likeadeuce


Your point about expectations shaping reaction to this book is a great one. I was introduced to it as 'a 3way romance with mecha fighting monsters' and I ended up not connecting to the romance (neither boy was interesting to me at all) and having trouble following the action, while the patriarchy stuff actually gave it more depth than I expected it felt a bit anvilicious. Wu Zetian was the best part because I went in going 'Oh hey, it's Katniss Everdeen* -- oh no wait this lady just wants bloody revenge!!' -- but I didn't feel like the plot lived up to the possibilities.

I can see coming at it with different expectations and taking different things from it.

*I like 90 percent adore Katniss Everdeen and think she gets a bit of a bad rap because other writers have tried to create this character type anx brought a lot less nuance to it; also there's like 10 percent of Katniss being passive and mopey and letting the plot happen around her that I don't love.
Edited Date: 2022-03-31 08:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] likeadeuce


Yes -- I don't think I said it clearly but I love Katniss and was also very delighted Wu Zetian was not Katniss. I also cracked the hell up when the plot setup that the first couple chapters promised was disposed of almost immediately.
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From: [personal profile] skygiants


I found it a bit hard to get past the broad absence of other women, but I did truly love the splashy giant robot celebrity wedding.
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From: [personal profile] oyceter


Ahahaha I remember that horse anecdote!

This is particularly interesting to read because prior reviews I think came from people who went in for tropeyness and got more depressingness than anticipated, so I figured it was mostly depressing. It does not sound like that though! Also, MECHA.

From: [personal profile] anna_wing


Have you watched "Detective Dee and the Mystery of the Phantom Flame"? Andy Lau as Di Renjie and Carina Lau as Empress Wu in what I would consider a definitive interpretation.

From: [personal profile] anna_wing


It's brilliant, though the casting alone, for anyone familiar with the stars of that generation, was a spoiler (some actors you do not cast as minor characters...). Carina Lau was so iconic as Empress Wu that I think she's the go-to actress for the part now. She's done it at least one more time. And of course, Andy Lau continues to be ineffably cool (see him in "Three Kingdoms: Resurrection of the Dragon").




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From: [personal profile] carbonel


I am sadly ignorant of Chinese history, so I had a brief moment of "Where do I know the name Wu Zetian from?" until I was able to place it you the Change series. Which adds a resonance I hadn't known to that name, but also made me laugh.

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